gtr puncture

[fred24]

Does sound like the fitter it broke and kept quiet about - I always tell the fitter not just the recepionist there are sensors fitted as I think the standard way of deflating the tyre does involve trashing the vlave which they usually replace with new tyres.

[rippers]

I think the bike and this bit of warning on the dash is brilliant. I always ride with the tyre pressure displayed.
I used to use Ultra Seal and swore by it, but have not put it in the 1400 as I am told it messes up the read out display as it gums up the pressure chip in the rim inside the tyre. Shame as with the read out and a protection (Which works. I rode some 200 miles with a nail in my tyre and did not notice it until I stopped and saw a little bit of the Ultre Seal on the outside of the tyre) you would have better peace of mind. Glad that it worked for you and you did manage to stop in time.   

[Lonewolf]

Yeah, I have to say that the tyre pressure info is my preferred dispay mode and a vital bit of rider info. Probably should be standard on all bikes.

[patrick]

Looking behind me doesn't help me plan for what lies ahead, though.
The occasional glimpse is enough unless I want to change lanes..

It does help me. If,for example  I'm planning an over take I want to know what if anything is behind me that may be looking to overtake me!

etc etc etc

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[mecki]

It does help me. If,for example  I'm planning an over take I want to know what if anything is behind me that may be looking to overtake me!

Right, you want to change lanes, so you have to look into the right mirror or better even over your right shoulder before you attempt something like that.
But that still doesn't mean you have to look into the mirrors every 10 seconds.
There is a sharp corner or a roundabout coming up so you look in the mirrors because it helps you plan how to negotiate that? - I'm afraid not!

[routemaster]

It is about regularly checking your mirrors, it isn't necessarily have to be every 10 seconds, but regular/frequent checks (depending on traffic conditions) are important to see what is happening behind you.

On an approach to a bend is just as important as anywhere else. How do you know that you don't have some numpty sat on your number plate going into a bend??? What happens if you have to unexpectedly slow down or change direction, knowing whats behind you will help inform your decision making process about what to do.

There is a sharp corner or a roundabout coming up so you look in the mirrors because it helps you plan how to negotiate that? - I'm afraid not!

[mecki]

On an approach to a bend is just as important as anywhere else. How do you know that you don't have some numpty sat on your number plate going into a bend??? What happens if you have to unexpectedly slow down or change direction, knowing whats behind you will help inform your decision making process about what to do.

If I unexpectedly have to slow down or change direction then I have to do that regardless if I have a numbskull glued to my numberplate or not. If it's a split second decision I could as well claim that if you hadn't looked into the mirror that sudden manoeuvre hadn't been necessary because if you had looked ahead you had spotted the hazard earlier.
This discussion is totally futile.
BTW if something that close behind is going on I most likely will pick that up in my peripheral vision anyway. Especially with those big mirrors on the GTR.

[Kwikasfuki]

And in that split second you have to make the right decision which would no doubt be helped if you're aware of your surroundings.

Prime example last week when the car infront braked sharply for no apparent reason on the motorway. Because I was aware of what was behind and to the side of me I had no hesitation in moving my bike to the middle lane in that split second.

Likewise if that happens arround a bend you're severely limiting your options if you don't have awareness of whats behind you. The best advice is in Roadcraft - always plan an exit strategy for the unexpected.

[mecki]

The best advice is in Roadcraft - always plan an exit strategy for the unexpected.

You can only plan an exit strategy for situations you expect.
The best advice is to avoid the unexpected in the first place (aka defensive riding).
But I guess if you did that you would need to change your nick again. ;D
That then leaves only the sky falling on your head, for which you can't plan an exit strategy anyway.
In your case it sounds like you were either too close to the car in front, going to fast or weren't aware of what was going on in front of the car and prompted it to brake sharply. :-[
Sorry, but I just don't believe you can be 100% aware of what's going on all around you all the time.

[jenros]

hi guys, update!
as i said ive been working away from home for a few months,so last monday i dropped the bike off early to them,an said i would pick it up on saturday (2 day).i left my mobile number for them if they needed to contact me.
So,called in this morning,bike not ready!!!!!!!!,
why not i said?
oh we have ordered a new sensor.the "old" 1 was shot!,.it should be here on tuesday or wednesday,,,,,
right ok,im back away working monday so i will pick it up next saturday!.
so having read some of your replies reguarding this,i totally agree with what you have said about "THEY,OR HIM" was totally unaware about this!!,an its now obvious that he binned or damaged it when he tock the tyre off.
so i rang a kawasaki dealer an spoke to a guy in the workshop,just to have a bit of fire power,incase i need it!
the fitter also agreed with whats been said on here as well,also he said it is also possible if you dont know about these that they can be damaged by the tyre lever when taking off the tyre.
he said that the sensor is about 90 quid,and would have to be programmed as well,which also would have to be done,he said they charge about 12 quid,(no big deal on the 12 qiud but im ****** if im paying for the sensor.
he sugested that i get them to give me the old one for me to see,which we now know they have binned!!!!,also if they new it was damaged,why did they refit it,an also why didnt they tell me?????
whats ya thoughts on this guys??
i wanted a blast out 2day as well,,,,,cheers guys- JENROS :)

[Kwikasfuki]

You can only plan an exit strategy for situations you expect.

The UK hazard perception test is all about reading the conditions ahead and preparing for the unexpected. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sorry, but I just don't believe you can be 100% aware of what's going on all around you all the time.

I don't think anyone is saying that you can be aware 100% of the time. My view of riding safely is probably contentious, but I'm a firm believer is making good progress as that keeps you aware of your surroundings. Its when you're going with the flow that you tend to switch off.

I might change my name to Terry (think Terry Griffiths and how he could grind a game of snooker to death!)

[Kwikasfuki]

hi guys, update!

he said that the sensor is about 90 quid,and would have to be programmed as well,which also would have to be done,he said they charge about 12 quid,(no big deal on the 12 qiud but im ****** if im paying for the sensor.

Don't think the sensor is 90 quid. Probably double that at least.

[mecki]

The UK hazard perception test is all about reading the conditions ahead and preparing for the unexpected. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

That sentence is a classical oxymoron.
And just because it is written in a test doesn't change that!
Unexpected is something you can't expect or in other words to your knowledge has never happened before or seems impossible to happen, right?
When you for instance mix yellow and blue paint, you expect that the resulting colour will be green because from experience that is what always happened before.
Unexpected would be that the mixture would turn out to be red or any colour other than green because that has never happened before.
You wouldn't expect that the car in front of you suddenly turned into a horse, disappeared into thin air or took off like a plane.
But that the driver suddenly slams on the brakes, blows a tyre or looses otherwise control can and should be expected to happen!
Even if it is not very likely, but it has happened before, so it can no longer be unexpected when it happens again.
Therefore it is simply impossible to prepare for the unexpected.
So the line should read, 'preparing for anything that could possibly happen'.

Then I totally agree with what it is saying.

[Lonewolf]

I think mecki has been smoking crack!  ;D

[Lonewolf]

jenros, as Asif has said the sensors are very expensive, I would clarify initially who is paying for the new sensor and its programming. If they suggest you are, tell them to go swivel! If they have damaged your TPS then they are responsible, if it was working beforehand then I think its a fair assumption that they have damaged it.
Good luck with sorting this out.