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Title: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Busa1400 on December 21, 2016, 11:22:37 AM
Morning,

Hope everyone is well and looking forward to Christmas.

I took the GTR to Autorama Kawasaki witgh my Garmin Sat Nav and a Nippy Normans Fuze Block and they could not fit it and just wired the sat nav to the battery with an inline fuse, the problem with this being that the nav is not then switched with the ignition key and the pins are permanently live.

Can anyone around West Yorkshire recommend or fit a Nippy Normans Fuze block ??

Thanks in advance

Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: wildybeast on December 21, 2016, 11:51:21 AM
What do you want to run off it, There is a switched accessory wire under the left fairing pannel. Wire your sat nav to it,Follow the vidio and he will show where the wires are. Hope this helps.https://youtu.be/-68Enejvmeg  Not sure which is the live or earth colour though.Keep your inline fuse if it is lower than the accessory fuse on your bikes f box as not to blow ya sat nav.
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: O.C. on December 21, 2016, 01:22:04 PM
Go back to Autorama, ask for Brian , and ask him to wire your sat nav to the auxiliary terminals which are located in the rubber wiring boot behind the front left side panel or alternatively wire it to the second auxiliary wiring which lies beneath the rear seat catch, both of which are switched, so when you turn your ignition off anything connected through them will also power down

Tell him Roger sent you, coincidentally he rang me 5 minutes ago, he's a top bloke  :yes: 

I have  a Nippy Normans Fuzeblock and never found a use/need for it on my GTR 
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Macskwak on December 21, 2016, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: O.C. on December 21, 2016, 01:22:04 PM
Go back to Autorama, ask for Brian , and ask him to wire your sat nav to the auxiliary terminals which are located in the rubber wiring boot behind the front left side panel or alternatively wire it to the second auxiliary wiring which lies beneath the rear seat catch, both of which are switched, so when you turn your ignition off anything connected through them will also power down

Tell him Roger sent you, coincidentally he rang me 5 minutes ago, he's a top bloke  :yes: 

I have  a Nippy Normans Fuzeblock and never found a use/need for it on my GTR 

Make you right oc. I have spotlights and extra usb power points for sat nav and phone charger plus battery charger cable and only used existing spare wires. Dont need anything else on the bike eh?
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: trousersnake01 on December 21, 2016, 03:40:59 PM
They obviously got the boy to do that job. 
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Macskwak on December 21, 2016, 04:11:38 PM
Haha ur prob right there trouser. Do you use the forces workshops for your bike 😃👍
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Busa1400 on December 21, 2016, 04:46:37 PM
Ok following this to logical conclusion - it seems Autorama dont know about the auxillary wire either, Brians a good bloke but a sales not a spanner man. Any recommend anyone else that can do this, I am not either competent or dexterous enough to do it myself.  :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: wildybeast on December 21, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
i would have thought most bike shops or auto electrician would be able to do it.It would be a big help if you could point out the aux wires to them be it under the fairing pannel or near the seat catch as pointed out before.Black and black/yellow wires. The ones under the fairing pannel would be the easiest to wire a sat nav,They could also make the connection from the live wire to the aux power socket. (cig lighter)
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: O.C. on December 21, 2016, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: Busa1400 on December 21, 2016, 04:46:37 PM
Ok following this to logical conclusion - it seems Autorama dont know about the auxillary wire either, Brians a good bloke but a sales not a spanner man. Any recommend anyone else that can do this, I am not either competent or dexterous enough to do it myself.  :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

The Autorama staff are out at their annual Christmas nosebag this afternoon.  :popcorn: 

I'm really surprised that they don't know about the auxiliary power, they are a very well known and respected dealership (I've known Brian for more years than I care to admit to  :yes: ) and believe me he is a very good spanner man, although I accept that he probably has to spend the majority of his time in the sales and parts departments.

I don't know any auto electricians in that area, but any competent auto electrician business should be able to perform the task for you, it isn't too difficult and shouldn't be too pricey

I hope you get sorted...keep us posted  :smiley:   
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Lonewolf on December 21, 2016, 06:30:42 PM
It's concerning that a Kawasaki dealership don't know about the auxiliary power sockets on the GTR!


The problem is if you take it to an auto electrician they'll probably charge you a minimum of an hours labour, possibly £70-£100 which is ridiculous for a job as simple as this.


How desperately do you need it doing?
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Charlie farley on December 21, 2016, 08:14:47 PM
If you want a ride to Cambridge I'll do it for free  but its a bit far . :clap:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: BigAlan on December 21, 2016, 08:23:56 PM
Charlie you coming to the ace cafe on the 27th?
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Busa1400 on December 21, 2016, 09:23:17 PM
I am not desperate to have it done as to be fair the weather is not good for getting it out and about, but as soon as it is it needs to be done.

The way it is wired at the moment is straight across the battery so the pins stay live all the time.

The photo is not a good but it shows the pins that are live, and once rain gets on the pins risk of shorting out. 

I really dont mind paying someone to do it, its my baby and I want it to be right, you know what its like when  you have that niggling that its just not right !!
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: wildybeast on December 22, 2016, 06:05:29 AM
if you can get to lincoln ile do it for you.f.o.c. :biker3:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Wookie on December 22, 2016, 08:10:22 AM
Aye .if you lived pop north you could have popped in to Wooks cave and I would be more than happy to dood it 4 u  :smiley:
On the subject of dealers.
I had to educate M&S about the aux supply front and rear.
I considered nippy norms . And it's GOOD kit...
However I created a multi spur from the front aux supply and as the kit is low amp draw it works fine (sat nav ultimate add ons phone box and power supply and camera power )from the rear aup I am running the auto com from there .
I upgraded the fuse from 5 amp to 10 .
Hope this helps  :smiley:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: pross on December 22, 2016, 09:03:42 AM
Quote from: Busa1400 on December 21, 2016, 09:23:17 PM
I am not desperate to have it done as to be fair the weather is not good for getting it out and about, but as soon as it is it needs to be done.

The way it is wired at the moment is straight across the battery so the pins stay live all the time.

The photo is not a good but it shows the pins that are live, and once rain gets on the pins risk of shorting out. 

I really dont mind paying someone to do it, its my baby and I want it to be right, you know what its like when  you have that niggling that its just not right !!


I fitted the same holder for the 660 and as everyone states I just attached the bullet connectors and wired to the bullets under the rubber boot at the front no need to cut it like in the video just prise it up a bit  :yes:


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d31/anthonyprosser/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/E748A70E-CA36-4A00-A6E6-69795327A829_zpsnhakjgyf.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/anthonyprosser/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/E748A70E-CA36-4A00-A6E6-69795327A829_zpsnhakjgyf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Macskwak on December 22, 2016, 09:06:51 AM
Guys just a heads up. I used to do electrical work years ago and houses often had rewireable fuses. That is effectively what you have here on the bike. My point is that rewireable fuses had a rating of times two before they blew which means a five amp fuse would blow when the fault reached ten amps. If you change your fuse from five to ten amp and run a load of equipment up to say eight ampsthen its possible for the fuse to hold for a while. This means the circuit wiring may be getting degraded over time and lead to faults later. Are you sure that the wiring of the auxhilary power circuits is the same size as the earlier bikes with ten amp fuses. Just a thought thats all 🤔🤔
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: doebag on December 22, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
The original fuseway was 10A on the early bikes.
Later models with grip heaters have a 5A fuseway and a 5A fuesway for the auxiliary socket. These are both fed from the same cable so effectively 10A.
Also the grip heaters switch off at low engine revs, so if you use a mini compressor there is no chance of the grip heaters still drawing on the cable/fuse.
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: O.C. on December 22, 2016, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: doebag on December 22, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
The original fuseway was 10A on the early bikes.
Later models with grip heaters have a 5A fuseway and a 5A fuesway for the auxiliary socket. These are both fed from the same cable so effectively 10A.
Also the grip heaters switch off at low engine revs, so if you use a mini compressor there is no chance of the grip heaters still drawing on the cable/fuse.

:agree:  plus a compressor should only be running for a relatively short period of time, and hopefully not on a frequent basis
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: O.C. on December 22, 2016, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: Busa1400 on December 21, 2016, 09:23:17 PM
I am not desperate to have it done as to be fair the weather is not good for getting it out and about, but as soon as it is it needs to be done.

The way it is wired at the moment is straight across the battery so the pins stay live all the time.

The photo is not a good but it shows the pins that are live, and once rain gets on the pins risk of shorting out. 

I really dont mind paying someone to do it, its my baby and I want it to be right, you know what its like when  you have that niggling that its just not right !!


Just to clarify, what we are looking at there is a Garmin mount in a Touratech locking cradle, there should be a removable cover with the Garmin mount to reduce the chance of rain ingress whilst the GPS isn't mounted

In your original post you were asking about a Nippy Normans Fuzeblock power supply, which is something different.

I understand the weather isn't good at the moment, in fact its crap, but as you are only in Leeds, why don't you call here (I'm only in Leyburn) and I'll fit it all for you

Anyway its up to you, I'm only too pleased to assist....I'll even make you a brew  :yes:   
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: BigAlan on December 22, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
Rog, if I nip round will you wash and polish my bike?

Ta.
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: O.C. on December 22, 2016, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: BigAlan on December 22, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
Rog, if I nip round will you wash and polish my bike?

Ta.

I'd be happy to Alan, if I can't there's a bloke not too far away that is a bit handy with a sponge polish and duster   :mfr_lol: 
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Macskwak on December 22, 2016, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: doebag on December 22, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
The original fuseway was 10A on the early bikes.
Later models with grip heaters have a 5A fuseway and a 5A fuesway for the auxiliary socket. These are both fed from the same cable so effectively 10A.
Also the grip heaters switch off at low engine revs, so if you use a mini compressor there is no chance of the grip heaters still drawing on the cable/fuse.

Ah right doebag thats handy with the heated grips closing off although if guys are uprating there fuse to ten amp on there aux then effectively if they put lots of gadgets on their bikes they could be drawing up to fifteen amps through wires designed for ten with their heated grips on at the same time. Still not sure thats wise long term as the cables could get warm but not burn. This heating will degrade the insulation over time. I think i would reroute heated grips through seperate relay and up to the battery to be safe. This would free up the aux cable to take ten amps of toys.
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Wookie on December 22, 2016, 02:04:07 PM
O.C + FREE TEA = WOOK IN TRANSIT  :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Wookie on December 22, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
Hang on a min here .......
Since when we're heated grips RPM dependant ????
It's a case of on is on and off is off.
Doubt me ? .. Ok switch on motor and let it tick over with grips turned on ... me thinks that they will warm up ..
Well mine does and it's a 16 plate
However low output from a dieing rectifier it would SEEM that they have shut down .. well the haven't shut down ..they are still drawing current (if switched on )just not enough to warm ya pinkies  :popcorn:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Mikey on December 22, 2016, 05:17:45 PM
Quote from: Wookie on December 22, 2016, 08:10:22 AM
Aye .if you lived pop north you could have popped in to Wooks cave and I would be more than happy to dood it 4 u  :smiley:
On the subject of dealers.
I had to educate M&S about the aux supply front and rear.
I considered nippy norms . And it's GOOD kit...
However I created a multi spur from the front aux supply and as the kit is low amp draw it works fine (sat nav ultimate add ons phone box and power supply and camera power )from the rear aup I am running the auto com from there .
I upgraded the fuse from 5 amp to 10 .
Hope this helps  :smiley:

In English does this mean I can piggy back another socket off the existing one.
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Lonewolf on December 22, 2016, 06:33:47 PM
There are already two auxiliary sockets on the GTR. One at the front near side and one to the rear.
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: doebag on December 22, 2016, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: Wookie on December 22, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
Hang on a min here .......
Since when we're heated grips RPM dependant ????
It's a case of on is on and off is off.
Doubt me ? .. Ok switch on motor and let it tick over with grips turned on ... me thinks that they will warm up ..
Well mine does and it's a 16 plate
However low output from a dieing rectifier it would SEEM that they have shut down .. well the haven't shut down ..they are still drawing current (if switched on )just not enough to warm ya pinkies  :popcorn:

From the owners handbook

The grip warmers are fitted with an automatic shift switch to prevent the battery from running down.
When the motorcycle is slowing down or at a stop the switch may be turned off automatically
Once the motorcycle returns to normal operating speed the switch  will turn on automatically.


This is on my 2011 model,
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: O.C. on December 22, 2016, 09:23:55 PM
Tho O.P refers to one of these, from which it is possible to safely run several accessories. ..........phew that was hard work  :mfr_lol: 



http://www.nippynormans.com/f650stf650csf650gsf650-dakar/fuzeblock-switchable-fuse-panel   
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Wookie on December 22, 2016, 09:41:01 PM
Well ah will be buggered  :smiley:
Seems like over kill if that's the case coz as long as ya genny and rectifier is in good operating nick I can't see the need .
Tick over produces 14+ volts  :smiley:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: O.C. on December 22, 2016, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: Wookie on December 22, 2016, 09:41:01 PM
Well ah will be buggered  :smiley:
Seems like over kill if that's the case coz as long as ya genny and rectifier is in good operating nick I can't see the need .
Tick over produces 14+ volts  :smiley:

Ay, that's right Wooks ~~~but the Fuzeblok is marketed with BMW motorcycles  in mind  :mfr_lol:   :mfr_lol:   :mfr_lol:   
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Mikey on December 22, 2016, 10:05:19 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on December 22, 2016, 06:33:47 PM
There are already two auxiliary sockets on the GTR. One at the front near side and one to the rear.
Didn't know that. The only one I know about is on the front offside. I'll have a look when it comes home tomorrow
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: O.C. on December 22, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
Quote from: Mikey on December 22, 2016, 10:05:19 PM
Didn't know that. The only one I know about is on the front offside. I'll have a look when it comes home tomorrow

correctamundo  Mikey, Steve got it wrong, he's referring to the Auxiliary power supplies   :yes:   
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: virginiajim on December 22, 2016, 11:28:11 PM
Yep..
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Lonewolf on December 23, 2016, 12:42:20 AM
Quote from: O.C. on December 22, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
correctamundo  Mikey, Steve got it wrong, he's referring to the Auxiliary power supplies   :yes:   




Yeah that's what I said, meant.  :whistling:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: wildybeast on December 23, 2016, 06:09:35 AM
Mikey .Yes you can piggy back the aux socket If i remember.the 2 wires front left and at the rear are spares to add more equipment and are part of the aux (socket) circuit.To check find the wires and pull the aux fuse (ignition on as it is switched) to see if you lose power. i ran a GPS/RADIO/SENNA BLUETOOTH and PHONE off this circuit with a 10 amp fuse in the aux slot no problems. Each had a seperate inline fuse fitted as the recomendations were lower than the 10 amp aux fuse.All tucked away but easy to get to if i needed.Just to add. check the voltage input  of the items you want to fit.Ie my phone takes 5volts so i needed a hard wired usb charger which steps down from 12 to 5 v.
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Mikey on December 23, 2016, 09:49:02 AM
Quote from: wildybeast on December 23, 2016, 06:09:35 AM
Mikey .Yes you can piggy back the aux socket If i remember.the 2 wires front left and at the rear are spares to add more equipment and are part of the aux (socket) circuit.To check find the wires and pull the aux fuse (ignition on as it is switched) to see if you lose power. i ran a GPS/RADIO/SENNA BLUETOOTH and PHONE off this circuit with a 10 amp fuse in the aux slot no problems. Each had a seperate inline fuse fitted as the recomendations were lower than the 10 amp aux fuse.All tucked away but easy to get to if i needed.Just to add. check the voltage input  of the items you want to fit.Ie my phone takes 5volts so i needed a hard wired usb charger which steps down from 12 to 5 v.
I've got my pratnav wired into the front set. I've got a heated jacket with a Bmw din plug on and would like to fit a second socket (din) to plug it into.
Where is the power take off at the back?
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: wildybeast on December 23, 2016, 10:26:35 AM
http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/accleads       Hope this helps. 10th picture on. Borrowed from C,O.G forum.
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Wookie on December 23, 2016, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: Mikey on December 23, 2016, 09:49:02 AM
I've got my pratnav wired into the front set. I've got a heated jacket with a Bmw din plug on and would like to fit a second socket (din) to plug it into.
Where is the power take off at the back?
Betcha the WMB din plug breaks down  :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Mikey on December 23, 2016, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: wildybeast on December 23, 2016, 10:26:35 AM
http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/accleads       Hope this helps. 10th picture on. Borrowed from C,O.G forum.

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Title: Re: West Yorkshire - Nippy Normans fuse block fitting
Post by: Busa1400 on January 04, 2017, 05:03:06 PM
Thankyou very much for all your offers of help and the bike is now correctly wired  :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: