tyre changing

[Therenback]

your right bout service and paul upstairs raids my card, got headlamp protectors coming at bargain price an after seeing what they billed you for PR3's getting booked in when shifts an crime rates allow !

[Lonewolf]

Mecki, the PR3's are significantly more expensive than many other tyres (in my experience) but they are worth it.

[2kwacks]

I also don't have any problems with the original tyres. But then, it's a new bike and the suspension is obviously miles better than the one I had on the 1250 Bandit before, so how do I know if PR3s or even Dunlop Roadsmarts aren't better until I've tried them?
Nothing to do with something not being broke, though. When the tyres are worn it is a different story. Then they are 'broken' and need fixing anyway, so why not listen to advice of other GTR riders who've been there and done that? So unless the PR3s are significantly more expensive I'll give them a go and see for myself. And if I can get Roadsmarts for a better price, I'll most likely go for those to try them out. They were good on my previous bike, so they can't be bad on the GTR.

its not the case of not wanting to listen to other gtr1400 riders, am simple stating that I find the standard tyres to be ok. am not a mad rider but I dont hang around either, and theses tyres have never given me any concearns about handeling or grip either it be dry or wet? have all ready stated that its highly unlikely that everyone is wrong about the standard tyres and because if this! I would try a different brand, but only when I need to replace both front and rear at the same time, so next time the rear is replaced the front should be ready for replacement, then most likely will try different tyres.

[Therenback]

Havent got tech skills some u lads appear to but may be worth ensuring suspension settings dialed in to suit riding styles and bodyweight in case tyres not cause of negative feel but am sure all in thread already thought of it.

[mecki]

Having different tyres on front and back isn't a good idea, I know.
I have 3500 miles on the clock now and by the look of it the rear tyre starts to square off a bit.
But I guess I could probably get another couple of 1000 miles out of it.
Never had that with Dunlop Roadsmarts on the Bandit, and I did nearly the same trip to the South of France and through the Alps, but then they were 180s and not 190s.
3500 miles - is it nearly time for the 2nd service already?
The front still looks fine, so I probably don't have to replace it until the second rear will be worn out enough to replace them both together.

[2kwacks]

Having different tyres on front and back isn't a good idea, I know.
I have 3500 miles on the clock now and by the look of it the rear tyre starts to square off a bit.
But I guess I could probably get another couple of 1000 miles out of it.
Never had that with Dunlop Roadsmarts on the Bandit, and I did nearly the same trip to the South of France and through the Alps, but then they were 180s and not 190s.
3500 miles - is it nearly time for the 2nd service already?
The front still looks fine, so I probably don't have to replace it until the second rear will be worn out enough to replace them both together.

I would defo second that never mix different tyres brands! however I do know some guys that do, and to be fair they will also say they are fine? but I would not mix tyres, have tried most tyre brands on various bikes, roadsmarts are good tyres and would most likely out last the standard bt021 for long distance! your roadsmarts lasted well on your bandit but am quessing the approx weight of the bandit is 215 kg, the gtr1400 weight is approx 320kg, power on the bandit is approx 105 bhp the gtr as approx 160 bhp!! so not surprised your roadsmarts looked alot better than your standard bt021 with the simular mileage! completely 2 different bikes so no comparison! but yes, would agree the roadsmarts would most likely out last the bt021 for distance, but by how much is the question ;)

[mecki]

your roadsmarts lasted well on your bandit but am quessing the approx weight of the bandit is 215 kg, the gtr1400 weight is approx 320kg, power on the bandit is approx 105 bhp the gtr as approx 160 bhp!! so not surprised your roadsmarts looked alot better than your standard bt021 with the simular mileage!

The Bandit is a bit heavier than that, and it has only 96 bhp, but as far as torque in the lower rev range is concerned it beats the GTR hands down.

[2kwacks]

ok mecki, we will need to agree to disagree on this subject!

[Therenback]

ever read a thread an loose will to live !!

[mecki]

2Kwaks, Disagree on what?
That the 1250 Bandit weighs in at just over 250kg or that it's engine develops more torque below 4000rpm than the 1400GTR?
After all the Bandit engine reaches maximum torque (I think it is 90 something Nm) @ 3500 rpm while the GTR feels IMHO rather sluggish below 4000 and doesn't really get lively until you go over 6500 especially in higher gears.
But I have to admit that I've been riding with sub-optimal tyre pressure on the way back from France (250KPa front and 270KPa rear) because I couldn't get any air in at gas stations. That made it a bit twitchy on sharp corners especially at the front and could have contributes to the slight squaring off at the back.
I've got my own pump now and carry a right angle adaptor with me, so this shouldn't happen again.

[Kwikasfuki]

Flies out, power commander, remapping  ;D

[mecki]

Flies out, power commander, remapping

I don't think that would be a good idea on a 2011 model since it may play havoc with the traction control.
The Bandit may have tons of grunt below 4000 rpm but lacks it further up the rev range.
Nah, I rather just switch down another gear or two. ;D

[2kwacks]

2Kwaks, Disagree on what?
That the 1250 Bandit weighs in at just over 250kg or that it's engine develops more torque below 4000rpm than the 1400GTR?
After all the Bandit engine reaches maximum torque (I think it is 90 something Nm) @ 3500 rpm while the GTR feels IMHO rather sluggish below 4000 and doesn't really get lively until you go over 6500 especially in higher gears.
But I have to admit that I've been riding with sub-optimal tyre pressure on the way back from France (250KPa front and 270KPa rear) because I couldn't get any air in at gas stations. That made it a bit twitchy on sharp corners especially at the front and could have contributes to the slight squaring off at the back.
I've got my own pump now and carry a right angle adaptor with me, so this shouldn't happen again.

time to put this to bed me-think! however my figures where off the top of my head, I had a zrx1200 for 5 years and what I can remember the tyres where standard bridgestone and lasted quite well considering the stick I gave that bike most of the time! am guessing the torque on the 1250 bandit under 4,000 revs is approx 80lb.ft the gtr1400 is approx 95lb.ft at approx 6,000 revs the 1250 bandit may weigh 250kg but the gtr1400 weighs approx 320 kg the 1/4 mile of the bandit am guessing would be approx 11 seconds the gtr1400 is approx also 11 seconds, surely it stands to reason the gtr with the extra weight and simular 1/4 mile times will give the same brand of tyre more wear! and over a period of time it will wear out more quickly. now this is only my opinion based on the zrx1200 I had which its fair to say the zrx1200 and the 1200 bandit are quite simular in power and weight? at the end of the day it dose not matter what tyre or how long it lasts. we all can make our tyres last for years if we ride like beginners all the time? for example my zzr1400 goes through rear tyres like there going out of fashion, my zzr1400 as done 8,500 miles now and am over half way through my 4th rear tyre, now if I rode that the same as I rode my zrx1200 then I would be in serious financial trouble by now, but like I said its only my opinion! I may be correct or I may be wrong but what the hell! its all good fun ;)

[mecki]

I wasn't referring to the milage but to the "squaring" when I stated that I never experienced anything like that with Roadsmarts on the Bandit.

[2kwacks]

I wasn't referring to the milage but to the "squaring" when I stated that I never experienced anything like that with Roadsmarts on the Bandit.

ok I give in ??? you win, I loose. however we may take this up at one of the meets we may go on! but only after 6 or 7 pints :)