Just suppose

[2kwacks]

  I'm not about to weep Dave       

Isn't  a new GS 1200 due to be launched next year featuring a repositioned clutch plus other improvements ?   

well Rog.. yes there is a new revised 2017 GS.. but it's more for off road use to make the bike more comfortable for standing upright when off roading and the other upgrades are the likes of the foot rests/rally seat/rad guards/winglets theses are what you can buy to add your self.. the suspension/pro modes/lean angle sensitive control/cornering a.b.s/dynamic e.s.a/electronic suspension package with real time damping adjustments/ with self leveling /black train drive is already on the 2016 TE "touring edition" model.. the clutch as also been repositioned from the rear to the front and is a now a wet clutch on 2013 model onwards. there is a significant change between the the basic GS the 2017 GS but if you go for the TE 2016 model then the bike as the same equipment package as the 2017 the changes 2016 TE to 2017 gs I.E knee area/foot pegs/rad guards/rally seat are for off road use and in my view are minor and not required for road use.

[2kwacks]

I know that they get great reviews and I'm sure the sales figures don't lie, but -

1 They are as ugly as fack
2 I know two people who previously owned GS's and both said they where unreliable and expensive to service and repair, one went for a Triumph 800 and the other a KTM and both say their new bikes are better than the BM.

What a load of  first service is £110.00.. second is £220.. major service valve check e.t.c  is £300.. the service interval is 6,000 miles.  most bikes are 4,000 miles.. you don't need to take half the bike apart for service that's why it's not as expensive.. it may not be the best looking bike in the world. but it is a adventure bike if I wanted to impress my mates or the ladies with looks I need a time machine to go back to my twenties or buy the H2 ltr but I don't give a  what people think All bikes can and will break down but the gs is a proving success all over the world and when the sale of a bike exceeds all else.. the odd break down in comparison to how many are out there is very little concern to me and to other owners I needed a more comfy tourer with the looks of a adventure style bike and after extensive reviews and various test rides the b.m.w came out on top. ok it's not cheap to buy if you want the top of the range gs te lc but you buy what you can afford and enjoy I'm sure your mates are happy with the ktm and triumph but I'm also happy with the gs they made their choice as I made mine. but do get your facts right and read unbiased reviews before commenting on bikes.. if you take noticed of the odd one or two who have a different bike than the one they are  ing on.. then you will find every bike as a problem lurking and more often than not it's just the odd one that may turn out to be true and in most circumstances it's the rider who as caused the fault in the first place.. with today's major motorcycle manufacturers and technology there is so no bad motorcycles out there.. only bad riders and bull  ters.

[O.C.]

well Rog.. yes there is a new revised 2017 GS.. but it's more for off road use to make the bike more comfortable for standing upright when off roading and the other upgrades are the likes of the foot rests/rally seat/rad guards/winglets theses are what you can buy to add your self.. the suspension/pro modes/lean angle sensitive control/cornering a.b.s/dynamic e.s.a/electronic suspension package with real time damping adjustments/ with self leveling /black train drive is already on the 2016 TE "touring edition" model.. the clutch as also been repositioned from the rear to the front and is a now a wet clutch on 2013 model onwards. there is a significant change between the the basic GS the 2017 GS but if you go for the TE 2016 model then the bike as the same equipment package as the 2017 the changes 2016 TE to 2017 gs I.E knee area/foot pegs/rad guards/rally seat are for off road use and in my view are minor and not required for road use.

cheers Dave, that clarifies the situation ~ I  had heard about some changes to the GS but my info came to me second hand so I didn't know any specifics      

You know as well as I do that the BMW product will get a rough ride on non BMW forums, so there's nowt personal in the responses, and every one should choose a bike that meets their ever changing requirements and one that makes them happy       I have tried other makes in the recent past    but have come back to the GTR which I acknowledge is a bit 'dated' when compared to the latest crop of bikes that are available today, but I like it, it makes me smile and it has a road presence which is satisfying.

The day will come (it almost did a while back) when I will be forced to change for something that I'm more easily able to manage,  I don't know when that will be, hopefully in the distant future.

Anyway enjoy your GS. ~~~I did have a 2010 GSA and didn't like it, since then I haven't ridden the latest version but have heard lots about it, mostly good some not so good, but hey, isn't that the way of things.....maybe one day I'll try the latest GS and then I'll be able to draw my own conclusions.    

   

[2kwacks]

cheers Dave, that clarifies the situation ~ I  had heard about some changes to the GS but my info came to me second hand so I didn't know any specifics      

You know as well as I do that the BMW product will get a rough ride on non BMW forums, so there's nowt personal in the responses, and every one should choose a bike that meets their ever changing requirements and one that makes them happy       I have tried other makes in the recent past    but have come back to the GTR which I acknowledge is a bit 'dated' when compared to the latest crop of bikes that are available today, but I like it, it makes me smile and it has a road presence which is satisfying.

The day will come (it almost did a while back) when I will be forced to change for something that I'm more easily able to manage,  I don't know when that will be, hopefully in the distant future.

Anyway enjoy your GS. ~~~I did have a 2010 GSA and didn't like it, since then I haven't ridden the latest version but have heard lots about it, mostly good some not so good, but hey, isn't that the way of things.....maybe one day I'll try the latest GS and then I'll be able to draw my own conclusions.    

   

didn't expect the b.m.w to get glowing reports on any other site except b.m.w but what I expect is what I would do before making comments is reading unbiased reviews and taking into considering the % of break downs against the amount of units sold world wide also taking into account that the odd monkey with a hammer with little or zero knowledge of the workings of the modern motorcycle which of today are very complicated machines.. taking noticed of what is said on forums "on how to make your bike go faster/sound better then the idiots start dismantling their bike that's when modern bikes break down

As you know I've had 3X ZZR 1400's 1X GTR1400 and 1 X VERSYS 1000 all excellent machines However if I was to take noticed of what the prospective forums members had to say or other bike owners well.. most likely would never have bought one if common sense didn't prevail let's quote the problems that I came across on forums or from other bike owners just to name a few!! the zzr1400 warp discs .. Ho! best replace mine before that happens of course nothing do to with the fact they have heated them up on a track day or miss use such as not releasing the brake fully.. or riding around the alps fully loaded with the wife on back and on the brakes doh! theses o.e.m discs are designed for road use so it's highly unlikely normal riding will warp discs more like rider error. The GTR 1400 well that seemed to have the same problem with warp discs and the shaft drive failing which it may have done on the odd few.. the screen mechanism use to break..   nothing to do with the fact that the odd monkey as fitted a much taller screen which as put stress on the mechanism which is was designed for a o.e.m screen half it's size. even the o.e.m tyres got a bashing only lasting 1,500 to 2000 miles well the zzr1400 as 218 b.h.p on full suck no tyre will take that abuse.. also the standard bridgestone s20r evo was crap around corners and  in the wet.. never once did the o.e.m tyre cause me any concern when keeping my mates hayabusa behind me in the alps.. same the GTR tyres 140 b.hp is going to be hard on tyres no matter what tyre you fit. Versys 1000 similar things.. but I never had any of theses problems with either the ZZR/GTR or versys 1000 maybe just maybe.. I left things alone and didn't fix something that didn't need fixing

As far as the b.m.w r1200 gs lc te is concerned.. yes it as been vastly improved over the air cooled older model and yes heard some stories of this and that but only off riders who have not got one or own a bike that's in the same category.. funny that isn't it! but when the time is right and you do fancy a change I do recommend you at least test ride the new model R1200 gs te it's not to everybody's liking but you will find a massive improvement over the older model in power/comfort and technology.  and let's look into the facts.. even the old model GS As been around for nearly 40 years with massive sales world wide .. so if the odd few do cause problems "it's the law of averages" but you either like the gs or not.. there are plenty of adventure bikes out there with out the gs price tag but in my opinion not half as good but there again like others I'm biased you pay or money and ride

[Wookie]

Well said Pay Ya Money and RIDE. !!
Now stop the willy waving ladies and let's get back to takeing the piss
Now kiss and make up 

[2kwacks]

Well said Pay Ya Money and RIDE. !!
Now stop the willy waving ladies and let's get back to takeing the piss
Now kiss and make up 

Ha! BOLLOCKS..  can't beat a good rant.. just wish my very old than older mate Geoff would rejoin the fun we use to have some good laughs taking the piss even suggested we had a whip round for a Motorized zimmer frame for his next transport

[snowy]

That's what I love about every forum I've been part of, the -ve's are always the most aired!   
Boring bigging up the good stuff 'init!   
45+ motorcycles in me career, 17 cars, all had their idiosyncrasies (big word score!  ) but loved every single 1 of them!.......even the much slated air cooled GS1200!
Suffering and overcoming problems is part of the joy of ownership.....just like being married!     (Don't tell Jen that!)
As me dad, God bless him, said to me once, "just get yer leg over it and ride it for what it's worth!" 

[Wookie]

Wot ? He said that about Jen  or the numerous motorcycles 
But seriously snowy ya dead rite .. like ya self every make or genre of mc wook has had some I wish I never sold others am glad ah did .. but rode em like ah stole em and loved em all .
And it's bikers nature to tek the wee wee out of each others bikes 
And it like tyres .. there ain't a bad tyre just different ones 

[snowy]

Wot ? He said that about Jen  or the numerous motorcycles 

  5th ammendmant on that!     

Anyhooo, back on topic, cruise control, loose a few KG, plenty enough power, but an adventure style riding position!

[2kwacks]

  5th ammendmant on that!     

Anyhooo, back on topic, cruise control, loose a few KG, plenty enough power, but an adventure style riding position!

Would you Adam and eve it.... we are back to the R1200 GS LC TE again just missing the elec suspension/rider modes/ built in and e.c.u compatible sat the list is endless 

[O.C.]

Would you Adam and eve it.... we are back to the R1200 GS LC TE again just missing the elec suspension/rider modes/ built in and e.c.u compatible sat the list is endless

  No falling out or "willie waving " from  me I'm just enjoying a healthy debate.

Like I  said we all have our preferences as it would be a boring world if we all liked the same bike.

I'm pleased you like your GS Dave, and I well remember your enthusiasm about your other new bikes in the past, good on yer      







Now lets get back on topic         cos I'm interested to hear what other opinions are out there   

[2kwacks]

  No falling out or "willie waving " from  me I'm just enjoying a healthy debate.

Like I  said we all have our preferences as it would be a boring world if we all liked the same bike.

I'm pleased you like your GS Dave, and I well remember your enthusiasm about your other new bikes in the past, good on yer      







Now lets get back on topic         cos I'm interested to hear what other opinions are out there   

[2kwacks]

  No falling out or "willie waving " from  me I'm just enjoying a healthy debate.

Like I  said we all have our preferences as it would be a boring world if we all liked the same bike.

I'm pleased you like your GS Dave, and I well remember your enthusiasm about your other new bikes in the past, good on yer      







Now lets get back on topic         cos I'm interested to hear what other opinions are out there   

your as bad as me for throwing fuel on the fire

[Wookie]

your as bad as me for throwing fuel on the fire

Is that when the Beemers fuel pump sprays it allover the place 
Aye the GTR next gen could do with a 5 litre bigger tank .
Back on topic O.C 

[2kwacks]

OK.. BACK ON TOPIC

did think of getting another GTR my 2010 model didn't give me any problems in the 3 years and the 3,200 mile Europe/1000 miles devon and cornwall and the Scotland 900 mile and the very enjoyable cotswolds lower lode GTR meet weekend trips But the reason for getting rid of the zzr was due to me getting closer Rog's and Geoff age found the riding position on my recent 2015 zzr1400 3,000 mile europe trip was starting to take it's toll on my wrists and back.. so time to get a more suitable bike for my needs didn't want a 300 kg plus bike great bike but the model as not changed since my last 2010 model. if kawasaki had significantly upgraded the gtr then may have been tempted but to fit the goodies the b.m.w as the retail price would go through the roof and their sales would have dropped.. kawasaki know there is a market for a big tourer so I don't think kawasaki will give that market up but don't expect big upgrades kawasaki will want to keep the price as low as possible to stay competitive in the very competitive big bike touring market.. even just fitting built in up to date cruise control will put £400 on the already retail price of the grand tourer of nearly £14,000. I assume they will use the 1441 zzr engine to meet the new emissions your not going to get for nothing even with just modern built in cruise control and the 1441 engine you will most likely be looking at a retail price approx £15,000 and the GTR will still lacking spec. it would not surprise me if kawasaki did dropped the gtr kawasaki are more interested in how many units they can sell not what riders want by upgrading the gtr to keep up with technology kawasaki know the price they will need retail at will reduce sales to the point it would not be profitable to continue production