Removing the flies

[exBanditOwner]

Hello All.
I asked ages ago about Removing the flies from a 2010 model with traction control etc. and nobody got back to me, so i thought i'd take one for the team and do it myself.

So here is the outcome.
1. the screws holding in the flies are made of butter.
2. a 10" number 2 phillips screw driver will help but you may also need assorted 1/4" drive bits as well as even the long screwdriver doesn't get straight to the screws.
3. you don't need to heat them, just make sure you are pushing REALLY hard to avoid rounding.
4. don't slip as you WILL skin your knuckles.
5. do one screw at a time. and keep at it until it's out. that way you don't bugger them all up and give up.

The results.
I've just been to Great Yarmouth and back 450 miles for work

the Traction control is NOT bothered that the flies are out.
if you try a wheelie the ignition is cut
if you try wheelspin the ignition is retarded
therefore traction control still works. no warning lights etc. it's fine.

The difference..
bear in mind i also did a full service and put a K&N air filter in so how much performance is that and how much is the flies is difficult to judge.

There seems to be more roll on power in all gears.
there isn't a delay is getting that rush of power
it's not a monster.
Driveability is better as you are not waiting for the computer to decide when to open the throttle - this is probably the only real benefit a quick start is quicker. Overtakes are quicker, the bike pulls harder from lower in the revs.

also is sounds a bit throatier - that might be the K&N

in summary - get the flies out you'll appreciate it.

[Charlie747]

Nice write up

I take it that item 4 is from personal experience ? 

Sounds like there is no down side to this mod 

[exBanditOwner]

as for #4. yes i have some spanner rash.

the issue is you need to be pushing really hard so as not to round the screws but then you slip as stove your knuckles into the airbox holes.

[Charlie747]

as for #4. yes i have some spanner rash.

the issue is you need to be pushing really hard so as not to round the screws but then you slip as stove your knuckles into the airbox holes.
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Pain..........not good 

[virginiajim]

We've found using a JIS #2 screwdriver 6 inches or longer is helpful as is heating up the tip..

http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-tools/jis-screwdrivers/

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=384.msg3223#msg3223

[KENNETH0405]

 Just removed secondary butterflies, as previous comments pulls better in every gear , instant power delivery no misfires/ surging, even in OD from really really low speeds  etc with a CS1 fitted with baffles out , will keep a wee eye on my fuel ,for all u speed junkies out there IMHO do it now
Tip i used a PH1 pillips head and filed about 1 mm off the tip ,snug fit screws were removed with little effort
Kenny

[exBanditOwner]

it's good isn't it.

[KENNETH0405]

 
Instant grin factor should of done ,,, a while ago!!!!!!!

[ant177]

What exactly do you tell your insurance company when you've done this? I struggle finding a call centre bod who understands the concept of moving house, let alone one that can handle being told I've removed the secondary butterflies.

Or do you just whistle innocently?

[BigAlan]

I guess the majority just whistle, I spent 45 minutes with a Carole Nash person explaining I had R&G crash bars for protection, a sat nav so I won't get lost, fender extenders and an Autocom system and got it all logged, then this year all was well apart from they would not insure the Autocom so I insisted they make a note of it on my insurance but not to cover it.

Seems they don't have a lot of wiggle room from standard bike quotes.

Alan

[virginiajim]

What does removing the flies have to do with the insurance companies? 

[ant177]

In the UK we're supposed to detail any modifications that have been made to the bike. In theory they can refuse a claim if there is something that hasn't been declared.

Whether they'd investigate that far in to the innards of the bike I'm not sure, I suppose it would depend on the severity of the incident (read: claim).

[virginiajim]

I can see where you would need to notify them on accessories.  That makes sense.  But taking a mechanical bit off the bike that wouldn't affect value one way or the other?  That seems ridiculous to me.  We wouldn't do that over here.  If you were to reflash the ECU.  Would you report that as well?

[ant177]

Yep. The theory is that if you make the bike significantly more powerful (for example) then the risk factor for that bike is now higher.
Also if you're inept with a spanner then your risk of causing an incident when your mod goes wrong increases too!

Again, I suspect most don't notify them but you are supposed to.

[wildybeast]

Have you had a remap done or pc fitted.Ive heard it could run lean.Whats your thoughts.