Going, going.....gone?

[Boomer]

I do like the look of the K16 and hope Kawasaki up their game with the GTR soon

Each to their own. I've always thought that all the K-series BMWs should actually have a Samsonite badge.
While the K1 was very different it managed to do it in a very clinical, sensible way, and was dull to ride.
The GSs are at least different and the Boxers have their charm, but the Ks never appealed to me.
Honda have the same problem pretty much across their range,...... blandness.

Yes, I'm a Lamborghini man, Ferraris, Bugattis, and most other supercars are for wussies and those with no taste. 
I could be tempted by a Pagani though. 

[Charlie747]

The value of our 'pride and Joy' depends on a number of factors, mileage condition, etc etc, every dealer has to also take into account what his current stock profile is i.e if he already has a GTR or two in stock he most likely won't be too bothered about adding a third one, hence his P/X offer may be reduced accordingly, additionally every dealer has bills to pay, profits to make, repairs and servicing to conduct on P/Xd machines  before he can re-offer them for sale, plus most purchasers of used machines expect a warranty to be included with a machine that's offered for sale.

Dealers offer a P/X price which often (should) includes an "over allowance" that is to say he offers more for the P/X than it is actually worth in terms of residual/realisable value, ergo he may offer you £7,500.00 for your machine which in fact probably has a residual value of say £6,800.00 therefore the £700.00 "over allowance" is taken out of any profit within the machine you are proposing to buy. This enables the dealer to outbid other dealers who may be competing to sell you a new or used machine from their stock, and this is the reason why some dealers are apparently able to offer you more for your miachine than the guy down the road.

Also consider, some dealers, with a franchise, do not like to have non-franchised stock on their showroom floor, BMW dealers, and other franchised dealers, are notorious for only wanting another BMW in P/X, as such they will get a 'trade bid' on your P/X if its not one of their franchised marques, before they do a deal with you, what happens then is that your P/Xd machine will go straight out of the dealership to a trader and not remain in his stock of used machines.

Any dealers stock, be it cars or bikes, must be valued at a realisable figure, its basic accounting/auditing practice in order to show a true valuation of assets within a balance sheet.

Sorry for the extended explanation, but I have managed, as a General Manager, dealerships, so I do know what I'm talking about, and its often useful to understand that not all dealers are trying to rip off existing and potential customers alike, they simply want to make a living, granted some are greedy bast*rds and others aren't, as individuals they have different overheads and different profit aspirations........we are all different...... and dealers are too.

Prices for privately sold and prices for a machine sold from a dealership will always be different to those offered through a dealership 

Maybe this will help to clarify why there is often a disparity in P/Xing your bikes 

As a forma fully paid up member of the addictive career path that goes by the general description "Motor Trade" I could not of put it better. 

[zedmeister]

There are also other factors to consider too, if you are financing the ballance you may get a better deal due to the fact the dealer will make money off the finance company from the deal depending on the ammount of APR they can get away with. The dealer will get a kick back % depending on their base rate% from the finance company. If you would also decide to have GAP insurance the dealer will be rubbing his hands and counting the profit. The dealer will always do the deal with you but will adjust the figures to accomodate for VAT, in short you will get the same deal but the figures will be altered to suit the dealer books. I used to make more money through finance deals than actual profit in some of the bikes, i would cringe when cash was mentioned and would give minimal discount for cash sales. Unfortunately thats business today.

In short you will get a better px through finance but in the long run you will pay more, you pay's your money and takes your choice.

[O.C.]

There are also other factors to consider too, if you are financing the ballance you may get a better deal due to the fact the dealer will make money off the finance company from the deal depending on the ammount of APR they can get away with. The dealer will get a kick back % depending on their base rate% from the finance company. If you would also decide to have GAP insurance the dealer will be rubbing his hands and counting the profit. The dealer will always do the deal with you but will adjust the figures to accomodate for VAT, in short you will get the same deal but the figures will be altered to suit the dealer books. I used to make more money through finance deals than actual profit in some of the bikes, i would cringe when cash was mentioned and would give minimal discount for cash sales. Unfortunately thats business today.

In short you will get a better px through finance but in the long run you will pay more, you pay's your money and takes your choice.

Yep, absolutely correct, your point about finance further demonstrates that buying a bike, or car for that matter, from a dealer is not as straight forward as some seem to think it might be......I won't bore everyone on here with dealer stocking costs...legal representation requirements, trades description laws..... it just goes on and on, and on and...................   
 

[Winston Smith]

Just bought a new (to me) car and the dealer simply sat at the computer after the p/x had been struck and stated what the monthly payment would be.

PMSL when his face dropped when I said I was paying the remainder in cash!

Never assume my son, never assume!

(Oh and when it arrived - was at another branch of the dealership - it was higher spec than they had realised too, cruise control auto lights/wipers, leather....ROFPMSL!!)

[Lonewolf]

What did you get then?

[O.C.]

BMW ???? ...cummon Chris stop taking the you know what   

[zedmeister]

Spot on Winnie - thats how to do it, get a really good finance PX then when the deal is verbally done drop it out that you are settling in cash. Seems your dealer honoured the deal which is good for you, i myself would have said that was for a finance PX deal only not a cash deal, which does go to show how much better a finance deal can be although not in the long term. The sales exec should have asked which payment method you were opting for in the first instance, this was always my first question before getting into the nitty gritty.

I have to ask the question ( although surprised if you say yes )  ASTLE ??

[Lonewolf]

To be fair whatever he's bought it'll be an improvement on his Focus. 

[2kwacks]

To be fair whatever he's bought it'll be an improvement on his Focus. 

What a dam cheek!!!  How dare you I've got a ford focus titanium model with all the goodies on in fact what extras it hasn't got is not even worth having

[100milesaway]

What a dam cheek!!!  How dare you I've got a ford focus titanium model with all the goodies on in fact what extras it hasn't got is not even worth having

Yes Dave, but you could put glitter and sequins on a turd,             but it's still a turd       

[2kwacks]

Yes Dave, but you could put glitter and sequins on a turd,             but it's still a turd       

I'm not having that As you know I don't buy  only read it

Geoff.. I know your a keen biker and will carry on till the end and I applaud you for your commitment but seen this clip and thought of you in a year or two P.s love the way you put your helmet on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amO2Q5QLeV8

[Winston Smith]

Roger - Spot on!  3 series Touring.  In anticipation of a four legged friend...

Steve - Sod Off!  The CC was brilliant and had it not been for the canine factor I would have kept it for a long time.

Zed - No.  Car Shop at Doncaster

[Kwikasfuki]

but seen this clip and thought of you in a year or two P.s love the way you put your helmet on

The helmet part is 

So out of Dave, Geoff and Roger, who is Compo, Clegg and Foggy?

[2kwacks]

The helmet part is 

So out of Dave, Geoff and Roger, who is Compo, Clegg and Foggy?

Asif... you do realize don't you! that the "dithering doderers" have got decade and a half on me I'm still in my prime that's why I ride a ZZR 1441 and get all hyped up then ride a versys 1000 to wind down