Stupid biker ?

[pistole]

Here's a question - particluarly for those who seem to think the motorcylist overtaking the car was ok

What would say if it was the other way round ie the car overtook motorcylists - literally swap the twp vehicles around?
Would you regard it as being ok?
Would you regard the car driver "is more tuned in and more likely to react to a sudden situation"?

Or would you reghard the car driver as a complete idiot putting a motorcylist at risk?

- cars and motorcycles are different. How we pass , how we overtake and how we use the road is different. People who ride their bikes like they drive their cars are ... umm .. not smart.

- as for that biker, its just making good progress at a steady rate of speed. Rather than being stuck behind that vehicle and end up having to mix it up with prevailing traffic (basic riding rule : never hang around , always be faster than overall traffic).

- the fellow who uploaded the vid is probably just unhappy at being passed, just like those American drivers who will move over to block a rider who is lane splitting.

- good on the biker for making progress.

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[routemaster]

This clip is in slightly different circumstances ie no roadworks but in essence its not much different.

http://youtu.be/CiRCSv2Lycs

So why can't you say "it just making good progress at a steady rate of speed. Rather than being stuck behind that vehicle and end up having to mix it up with prevailing traffic (basic rule : never hang around , always be faster than overall traffic). Good on them for making progress"

If you apply the above for a rider why can't you apply the same for the car driver???
This car driver was making the maximum use of the available tarmac, they did it quickly..................... etc etc

I don't think there is any justification for the stupid biker overtake - the rider is an idiot and they were lucky.

I think both overtakes are stupid, un-necessary and inappropriate.

[Bryn]

Not the best of places to overtake, but I've seen worse ....   (referring to the first clip)

As far as the second clip is concerned... I'd say its down to lane ownership... the bike has moved over towards lane 1, and I assumed he would keep going, the car has reacted ( a little early) and passed.

[routemaster]

The GTR was still occpying a third of the lane 2 and wasn't moving to lane 1 but it is possible for the driver to have had that impression but the  car driver was in a hurry and being very impatient

[mecki]

The GTR was still occpying a third of the lane 2 and wasn't moving to lane 1 but it is possible for the driver to have had that impression but the  car driver was in a hurry and being very impatient

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Come on, he is moving over to let the car pass - so what is your problem?
The bike is on the left hand side of the line - if that is in your opinion a third of the right hand lane I wouldn't want to share the same road with you. 

I wouldn't want to see the day when a van pulls away from me like that on a motorway. 
I guess that will be the day I give up riding my bike and move into a retirement home

[Ros]

If this had happened in France or Italy, there would not be two pages discussing it on the forum.

Personally I wouldn't make either manoever, but it's not just about safety, it's about respecting others. How do you make the other driver feel with your riding / driving style? Manage other's level of road rage :)

If someone came up to go past me like that and I was in the car, I'd have remarked something like " tw@t" and then forgotton about it.  I just try and keep out of everyone's way and go as far as possible to have a good safety/fun/respectful compromise

My 2 cents...

Ros

[Rusty]

What we don't know and can't see is if the driver has seen him coming in the first place ... on the video it all looks very sudden and a bit "iffy" but the road is clear and dry and to be fair he can probably see through or past the car he's overtaking, so with hand on heart I can't really see a problem with it...... but you wouldn't pass your Class 1 if you did that ! 

[Silverback]

My main thought on that was, why risk your tyres riding on that part of the road. That side of the white line is likely to be covered in  Cracking way to get a puncture in those PR3's, Angel GT's or whatever your chosen may be

[aljaxon]

I must admit I do a lot of overtaking in places where I feel its safe but the white lines should be prohibiting me.
I apply logic over the law. wrong I know but . . 
last summer I overtook on double white lines that are all the way past a cross roads in a dip.
but once past the junction with a clear view its safe to overtake but the white lines forbid it.
I got nicked by a police car hidden well out of site.

diagonal lines usually peter out after a hazard and the last few yards prohibit overtaking robbing the biker of valuable tarmac to overtake more safely but just like the edge of a road the diagonal lines are usually full of rubbish/gravel and carry a risk of punctures

to me the bike is moving to the left and virtually on the white lines abnd its fair to assume the car is expecting him to either move even more or allow him to pass.
why else would the bike ride on the white lines?
the car can easily overtake him with a yard to spare.
I overtake cars with a lot less room and I presume a lot of us do. 

[Lonewolf]

Aljaxon, I'm shocked that you still have a licence  .....you do still have a licence don't you? 

[O.C.]

I would never overtake on double or solid white lines....NEVER, they are there for a reason.  Apart from the safety implications, if I got caught doing that I'd run the risk of losing my HGV licence. 

[Bryn]

diagonal lines usually peter out after a hazard and the last few yards prohibit overtaking robbing the biker of valuable tarmac to overtake more safely

If you mean hatch markings, then if they are bordered by a broken white line at the exit to a hazard, then its ok to enter them... same with some roads that have a red strip of tarmac in the middle with hatch markings, and broken white hazard lines... nothing to stop you overtaking there....

As far as solid white lines are concerned... they mean  'do not cross this line'  unless you need to overtake a cyclist/milk float/tractor that is crawling along... or indeed to turn right at a junction, or to avoid an accident 

They don't necessarily mean no overtaking 

[Lonewolf]

The magic number being 10mph!

[Ros]

10mph? I didn't know that. 

So the police need 2 lasers at the same time - one for milk floats and the other for the speeding loon overtaking it across solid lines 

[Bryn]

If there's a protected right turn with hatch markings , and the edge of the hatch markings has a broken line... I'd have been criticised on my re-tests  for not commencing an overtake on the exit side, across the broken lines and the hatch markings 

There was never any worry about what shit there was in the hatched area.... as we didn't have to pay for replacement tyres