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Started by Kwikasfuki, December 20, 2009, 11:16:20 PM

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Kwikasfuki

In my five years of biking I've been bit of a bike whore, chopping and changing bikes. The best bike I had (or so I thought) was a Suzuki V-Strom 650DL (or Wee as its more affectionately known). Then some idiot did a hit and run on me and that was the end of the Wee.

Psychologically it had a huge impact and I didn't ride a bike for a year. Then the itch got to me so it was off bike hunting. I'd seen the 1400 GTR and loved it from the first moment I saw it. However, I just didn't feel I was ready for a big step up in power, and compared to the Wee, the bike felt huge. The other factor was that it wasn't an adventure tourer as that was the style of bike I liked.

I very nearly bought the ABS version of the Wee until I saw a Varadero XLV1000 ABS. A big imposing adventure tourer. Having read the reviews I bought one without test riding one. Big mistake. My daily commute is over the Pennines (highest motorway point in England) where it can get real windy. There was something wrong with my Varadero where a gust of wind could easily move the bike into another lane. I tried everything - shocks, tyres, inspection under warranty. In the one year I had the bike I barely covered 2000 miles. I'm still not sure what the issue was as my friend rode it in the same conditions without any ill effect.

In the end I decided I needed to get another bike. By this time a few second hand 1400 GTRs had appeared on the market and I managed to test ride one with 4000 miles on the clock. It also had the Kawasaki Gel seat, an after market windscreen and those Bridgestone BT21s.

The good:

Riding position. From my accident, riding with raised handlebars (default adventure tourer position) would cause stress under my right shoulder blade. There was no pain. Further, after 45 mins on an adventure tourer, my lower back would start to tire. Once again, no issues on the 1400 GTR.

Adjustable windscreen. I love my accessories and this was a must have.

The heat on the legs. Now, I know a lot of people complain about this, but when you're riding in the cold it is a huge benefit. The only time its annoying is when its 25c - so not very often in the UK.

ABS. The Varadero had dual link ABS which was the best feature of the bike. The GTR has standard ABS, and whilst not as good as dual link, is still a safety feature in my opinion. The 2010 model has dual link.  :'(

Weight distribution. Now, a lot of people complain that the 1400 GTR is top heavy. I disagree entirely. It is bottom heavy. Even with a full tank of petrol it can be lifted from the side stand easily and once moving that weight becomes negligible.

The Bad:

The handling. Why would I want to buy a bike that didn't handle after my ill fated experiment with the Varadero? Fortunately, I checked the tyres and realised they in need of replacement. The web also confirmed that the BT21s are not the best tyre for the 1400 GTR.

The Gel seat. I thought this was supposed to be more comfortable? The stock seat is far, far better.

Whilst busy negotiating with the dealer on the PX value of the Varadero, an add came up on Viva Moto. A black 1400 GTR with loads of farkles and still under warranty. On the same day the ad was placed, I rode over there and took the bike for a ride. It recently had new BT21s and it handled like a dream. I bought it there and then.

That was five months ago. In the same time I've put 5000 miles on the clock and its never given any trouble. The BT21s have been replaced with PR2s and on the motorway in high winds there's no issues. I would still say the Wee was the best in wind as there was very little fairing for the wind to get hold of. However, the GTR comes very close.

One thing about the Wee was the brilliant handling. The GTR surpasses the Wee which is surprising for such a big sports tourer. The previous owner also agrees with me as the pegs have not just been scraped, but ground.

As for the power - let's say there more than enough there without having to perform any modifications.

I realise this review doesn't talk about the other big touring bikes, namely the BMW and Pan European. The Pan isn't a sports tourer, but just a tourer. No doubt its a good bike (my friend has over 150k on his) it just didn't have that appeal. As for the BMWs I test rode the R1200 RT and the BMW k1300GT. Both excellent bikes that I would have but just on cost the Kawasaki beats them hands down. The K1300GT I would seriously consider but since the new 2010 1400 GTR model made an appearance I believe the Kawasaki is better value for money and provides the better handling of the two.
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OFFICER RAWSON

I could not agree more and I so very nearly bought the 1200GT last year as an ex demo when the 13 came out.


I realise this review doesn't talk about the other big touring bikes, namely the BMW and Pan European. The Pan isn't a sports tourer, but just a tourer. No doubt its a good bike (my friend has over 150k on his) it just didn't have that appeal. As for the BMWs I test rode the R1200 RT and the BMW k1300GT. Both excellent bikes that I would have but just on cost the Kawasaki beats them hands down. The K1300GT I would seriously consider but since the new 2010 1400 GTR model made an appearance I believe the Kawasaki is better value for money and provides the better handling of the two.
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Hooka74


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ANyhoo,

I have just bought a 2010 GTR and so far (4 days) am loving it. Had a 1300 Pan for 3 years prior to that and 1100 Pan before that.  The GTR is definitely better than the Pan. Even if I can't reach the floor quite as well (Im 5'7" Tall)
I still put up with it.
Even though the dry weight is supposed to be heavier on the GTR for some reason it feels so much lighter. Might be that the Pan holds so much more fuel (28 Litres)
I dont find the fuel capacity too much of a problem. On my first tank of fuel I managed to get about 42 MPG. Not bad considering the devil made me go quicker than I should be.  Its so easy to do honest!
I was a bit miffed by the fact that the top box was extra. It should be a standard thing on a sports tourer. Have to keep using the rucksack until I can afford one.
Not sure about the handling yet. The guys I usually go riding with have been away touring so not had a proper blast yet. I know I can go out myself and Ive had a few rides. Its just one os my mates is a Class 1 advanced Police M/cyclist so I feel I can ride better when Im following him. (I know Im a baby!)

Looking forward to the next few years playing. Maybe I'll meet a few of you some time soon.  8)

KeVstrom

Hi all, just joined after reading this post. Im considering a move up to a GTR from a DL1000 and was wondering is the bike practical as a daily commuter (short distances mainly)? I want to be able to have the flexibility and power of a long distance tourer with all the creature comforts but still be able to use it sun wind or rain to get to work. I know filtering will be trickier but is this over kill for what i need or could i end up ruining the bike with stop starts?
Thanks in advance.
Kev Shek
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O.C.

Hi Kev, and welcome to this forum where you will find lots of help and friendly advice

I had a KLV some years ago and whilst its a good bike it simply isn't in the same league as the GTR

The GTR will quite honestly tackle just about anything that you can throw at it, its a stunning commuter bike and will eat the miles all day long at warp speed (on the Continent ) of course.

The  Kawasaki reputation as a cast iron machine is well deserved and short distance runs won't kill the bike,

I'm assuming that you are planning to purchase a new GTR ?

Good luck and keep us posted with your new purchase  :wink:


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KeVstrom

Hi coney, thanks for the reply. Im considering a 2010 plate model when the abs and traction was introduced, new is simply out of my budget. Been reading bout some of the issues and apart from a seized preload adjuster of dodgy brakes, there doesnt seem to be any major issues unless you can enlighten me.

I did also consider the k1200, i had a look at that but that seems massive compared, plus i dont fancy bmw running costs.

Next stage i think will be a test ride. She how she handles or more of a case of how i handle her! Ive sat on one, feel nice enough and certainly not top heavy like my DL.

Ill keep yous posted
Kev Shek
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Debs

Quote from: Hooka74 on June 24, 2010, 11:38:33 AM
Not sure if anyone still using this site?!?!

Welcome and hope you enjoy the forum...

Of course its still being used  :yes: Quite a few of us use it every day  :yes:

:agree: re top box. Keep your eyes open on fleabay as they do appear now and again..

doebag

Kev

I too came to the GTR from a Vstrom [ high mileae commuter ] I always thought the slight top heaviness on the Vstrom was a bonus in commuting, it required less input for small changes of direction, and because I could flat foot it with both feet, the height was never a problem.
The GTR I bought new when I stopped commuting [ gotta love final salary pensions ! ]so I have never really done serious commuting on it. However I think you will get on with a GTR from the start. The only thing that took time to get used to was the mirror postion, I had got SO used to them being on the handlebars, it seemed strange to have them mounted low down.

Quote from: Debs on March 03, 2013, 12:19:32 PM
Welcome and hope you enjoy the forum...

Of course its still being used  :yes: Quite a few of us use it every day  :yes:

:agree: re top box. Keep your eyes open on fleabay as they do appear now and again..
Debs, Hooka74 has only posted once, it seems like he is the one not using the site :wink:
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KeVstrom

Thanks doebag,
The more i hear of ppl moving from a vstrom makes me feel better, i thought it may have been to big of a jump upwards. My riding partner has a zzr1400, which hes always told me to have a go on, but ive always been too affraid to, moreso cos i didnt want to damage his bike. The problem with the Vee is that i am on my tip toes. Stopping isnt an issue, its manouvering the bike..... bikewards! i find it hard pushing it around on tip toes and have to be really careful not to be caught out by its weight up top.

I totally understand the mirror thing, i took a ride out on my other bike (ER6f) yesterday and had similar issues. That bikes going the journey now, it hasnt been ridden for the past year!
Kev Shek
View my ride ---->HERE. My old DL found ---->HERE

Winston Smith

Kev - the GTR is superb and a great choice for any type of riding.

Easy to filter with but they are a bit top heavy slow speed maneuvering-wise.

I did love mine and would wholeheartedly recommend one (if you don't want a BMW  :whistling: - which by the way are no more expensive or maybe even cheaper service cost-wise than my GTR was)
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Rusty

Hello Kev and  :185: .... this is a great place !  :laugh: My Gtr is 2 years old today with mostly commuting miles on it with some French and Spanish miles too ... and even some Scottish ones in the summer ( ssshhhhh ) Nearly 20,000 on the clock and not a problem in any way shape or form .. I love this bike to bits  :cool: :cool:

Kwikasfuki

The only thing I wouldn't do with a GTR is take it off road.

Otherwise ticks all the boxes
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100milesaway

Asif, where are you up to with your bike, and the accident, did you buy the bike back from the insurance company? or are you looking to buy a new/used one?
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Kwikasfuki

Quote from: 100milesaway on March 03, 2013, 10:23:48 PM
Asif, where are you up to with your bike, and the accident, did you buy the bike back from the insurance company? or are you looking to buy a new/used one?

Looking to buy a used one. Just waiting for one at the right price point. Hopefully soon!
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O.C.

Nice to hear that you are on the verge of getting back on two wheels Asif

There's a 2009 model at Autorama, it'll be like taking a woman to look at a puppy when you go shopping for one mate   :mfr_lol:
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