Too to long in the Tooth for this Bike mag Stuff.

[Ziderman]

But some one tell me...why in 4 years can opinions change from, very poor to Excellent...
It's the difference, like between a rotten Pare & good un...

[2kwacks]

But some one tell me...why in 4 years can opinions change from, very poor to Excellent...
It's the difference, like between a rotten Pare & good un...

not sure what you mean, by very poor to excellent. I must be missing somethink here! have never ridden the earlier model gtr1400 so can not comment on it! but I can not fault the 2010 model. its smooth,looks good,seems to have enough power to handel the weight. it as the same calipers as the zzr1400 so stopping the sod should not ever be a problem, up to now I find the standard settings fine. I weigh approx 78kg, think the bike is standard set for a rider of approx 70 kg, dont understand where all theses faults and niggles are coming from!

[Ziderman]

not sure what you mean, by very poor to excellent.

I refer to fact that when the FJR first came out they slagged it rotten...now they love it...how can that be, same bloody Tester too in Bike.

[Winston Smith]

We tested the GTR in 2009 (my own bike to be precise!) and it came out really well, just beaten in the comparison tests by the BMW 1300GT, but in the 2010 test the newer model struggled even against the Pan (although it beat the FJR into a cocked hat - it was terrible).

Must say I disliked the 2010 GTR immensely, but wouldn't dream of getting rid of my 09'er.

It can be down to the individual bike, the way it is set up, what it's tested against, the passage of time etc.

[Ziderman]

Quite few police forces use the FJR now I see. I reckon reason is you can load tons stuff onto it & it dont bat an eye lid & still handles very well. If not better. That's why they ditched the Pans as when loaded they were crap..

[Winston Smith]

LOL - That's the common belief!

Just been looking at the FJR site, what an arrogant, self rightcheous mob they are!

Read the thread on the police use of FJR's and their 'assumptions' about Pans, 1200RT's etc.

The FJR in authorities spec or civvie spec seems always to want to understeer dramatically, then once into the bend somehow develops oversteer and takes far more effort than it should to pull it back.

Having ridden it back to back with the GT, GTR, RT, ST and ridden RT, ST and FJR's professionally, it is the worst of the bunch.  It's one saving grace is it's speed/engine, a real powerhouse but the chassis / suspension set-up is terrible.

The reason for opting for the FJR as an authority bike was to have a mixed fleet should one or the other machine develop faults (a la Pan or K100's) meaning there would still be some flexibility in fleets.

Due to many factors, handling complaints, reliability (electrics especially) and cost, nearly all forces will not be replacing their fleets with FJR's, more likely they will be 1200RT's which are actually very reliable - the teething problems from '07 having been resolved and a new model having been launched back end of last year.

It was nothing to do with 'when loaded' the Pans were crap.  I trusted them to the extent that when decommissioned I bought an ex police one and ran it until I bought my GTR.

4 years operational use and 18 months private use - The Pan gets a thumbs up from me.

I have a fair idea what I am talking about, and whilst I won't discuss the in's and out on a public forum, I have met and discussed the Pan issue with the coroner who dealt with the incident that led to them being pulled and I know the colleague who was with the rider at the time who (last time I spoke) still ran a Pan himself.

[Ziderman]

Ive had a few of the Bikes you talk about...Only reason I switched to GTR is I had, had two FJRs & fancied a change. I had no problems with it. Handling I thought was good , particularly when loaded up. Bullet proof bike.
You do have a point about the forum . I got chucked off for telling a True story about a Period, it offended one or two , I was banned for 7 days..told them to ban me for life as was not particularly wanting to be part of a site with double standards. Like there over 18s section , full of offensive stuff. What I wrote was hardly offensive. May be post it on her some time , see what happens.

[Winston Smith]

Ive had a few of the Bikes you talk about...Only reason I switched to GTR is I had, had two FJRs & fancied a change. I had no problems with it. Handling I thought was good , particularly when loaded up. Bullet proof bike.
You do have a point about the forum . I got chucked off for telling a True story about a Period, it offended one or two , I was banned for 7 days..told them to ban me for life as was not particularly wanting to be part of a site with double standards. Like there over 18s section , full of offensive stuff. What I wrote was hardly offensive. May be post it on her some time , see what happens.

PMSL - Man after my own heart!!  Bring it on!

[Kwikasfuki]

A true story about a period? I'm all ears!

[Ziderman]

A true story about a period? I'm all ears!

As long as you don't Ban me...seems what I wrote offended a small minority . Everyone else though it was Hilarious & added it seems to many smutty comments. They did'nt have to read it. But I will tell you this true story from last Friday night.  I headed it, Bad Taste...once you read story , you will know why.

For my Sins I Dance , Modern Jive , even teach it. Last Friday evening we , that's me & some of the Girls & Alan , another Alan that is. Attended a Dance in Exeter.
Part way through the evening my mate complained about a stain on his trousers. I & even he thought at first it was a piss stain. Was a bit far down his thigh though. Unless he was hung like a Donkey. It was quite dark & could have been Red Wine. Well he whetted his finger & wiped it along the stain & tasted it. I did the same..... Nope , neither of us still had a clue.
Bit later we went to the Bar to get a drink , the lighting there was much better. It' blood I said. Alan had no clue where it came from..
Once back at Table , one of the other Guys & his wife were leaving , despite it being quite early still. He came to us & said sorry they had to leave , all bit embarrassing he told us. His wife had come on her period all of a sudden & it was so heavy, had totally soaked her Skirt & run down her leg. Well you might have worked out what happened now. My mate had Danced with her & one move had involved his leg going between her legs.......!  :-\
I then added to my post  that we did not stop at McDonalds on way home as had lost our Appetites..
The first problem came when a reply was added , about Kentucky fried Chicken being Finger licking good. The one about , McDonalds might have been the finale nail in the Post. "  What about a McMuffin instead......." Some one posted....!
That was it , post removed , initial 7 day ban as was demed offensive. Though I did have pop at Moderators for removing it  , as the over 18s forum is full of much much worse.

Am I banned from here now...

[Winston Smith]

PMSL!!

Excellent one!

[Kwikasfuki]

 :D :D :D :D :D

[aldav]

 :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D maybe we should have a joke area  ::)

[Lonewolf]

Didnt think there was anything offensive about that, other than the bit where you said you teach modern jive.  ;D

[Ziderman]

Look Im just not in the mood for all this...time of the month ....!

;D