Retards!!

[Kwikasfuki]

Rumour has it that at 30mph if you come off onto tarmac within 3 seconds you'll be down to bone and the bad news is you'll still be rolling unless of course you're unlucky enough to hit some street furniture!

Yes, I've done it years ago, t-shirt, no helmet while I was out in the south of France but I wouldn't do it now if you paid me.

At 30? I've had spills on my push bike at about that speed and come off relatively ok

Whats the consensus on wearing something like Draggin Jeans?

[Mogster]

At 30? I've had spills on my push bike at about that speed and come off relatively ok

Whats the consensus on wearing something like Draggin Jeans?

I do wear Draggin jeans...and have also tested them   I came off at about 50ish, It went though the denim on the thigh area, but the kevlar panels stood up fine...when i wear them I am concious of a lower spec of protection and do tend to moderate my speed and antics to suit.

and as far as people passing out due to heat exhaustion, it's more likley due to dehydration.... How many of you wear a camel or aqua pack when riding on hot days?..... being a PT i'm very aware as to how fast one can dehydrate, so i always take in adaquate fluid (and no thats not beer )

I suppose in the end it is your personal choice, but if you do take a spill in ya shorts, don't expect any sympahy from anyone....

so would you ride without a lid then if the law was repealed??

[Nok12rs]

Sena SMH10? IMO brilliant

Yep!  Thanks Kwikas'

[cpettifer]

At 30? I've had spills on my push bike at about that speed and come off relatively ok

Whats the consensus on wearing something like Draggin Jeans?

RiDE did a test of leather, textiles, kevlar lined jeans and regular jeans a few months ago - all for abrasion (impact stuff is down to armour). Leather came top, with kevlar not far behind. textiles weren't as good as kevlar. I think they had two sets of regular jeans. The preimium ones were "OK", but the cheap ones from ASDA or similar were poor. This is all from memory.

Re: the 30mph thing - I imagine if you continued to travel at 30 then you may be down to bone, but the whole time you're stopping / slowing down so not sure it quite works. When I used to ride a push bike more often I'd get up to 30 mph wearing shorts and t-shirt. I never fell off... so can't completely comment, but friends did and just had bumps, bruises and scrapes. The worst scrape was a kid at school who came off and the metal pedals kept spinning and took a couple of chunks out of his leg down to the bone...

I think if I had a scooter or 125 motorbike for my wife to learn on, then I'd use it around town and probably not wear quite the same stuff. Mainly because speeds are lower.

[Kwikasfuki]

cpettifer - thanks for that. Kevlar better than textiles? Didn't know that.

I have a pair of Draggin Jeans that I need to put a pouch in for the armour. However, its not full Kevlar which concerns me.

I'm tempted to get a pair for jeans from this lot: http://www.hoodjeans.co.uk/

Read a lot of good reviews and seem to have more coverage.

[cpettifer]

I personally think textiles probably vary and they may have just had a poor set - they only had one set of textiles they tested. That said, Kevlar probably varies too. I know there are different makes who put patches in different places and some weave it into the jean fabric don't they? I'll see if I still have the magazine - I suspect not as I recently had a clear out - but if I do I'll scan it in.

[cpettifer]

OK a quick Google revealed this discussion on another forum http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=231812

Here's the rub from the abrasion test (I'm so funny):

Hein Gericke Reno leather jeans: 4.74 seconds
Draggin' Biker kevlar jeans: 3.07 seconds
Hornee kevlar jeans: 1.39 seconds
Rev'it Sand textile trousers: 0.71 seconds
Levi stonewash 501s: 0.56 seconds
Tesco Cherokee jeans: 0.16 seconds

[Lonewolf]

Notice that Draggin jeans manufacture their clothing for that magic three seconds target.

[Kwikasfuki]

Re: the 30mph thing - I imagine if you continued to travel at 30 then you may be down to bone, but the whole time you're stopping / slowing down so not sure it quite works. When I used to ride a push bike more often I'd get up to 30 mph wearing shorts and t-shirt. I never fell off... so can't completely comment, but friends did and just had bumps, bruises and scrapes. The worst scrape was a kid at school who came off and the metal pedals kept spinning and took a couple of chunks out of his leg down to the bone...

The worse bike crash I had was as a kid. We used to do non handers frequently downhill whilst racing. I was on my beloved Raleigh Chopper mk 2 (silver with alloy wheels), and my mate on his Grifter. Unfortunately we hit a bumpy part of the road at speed and both went flying off right into the kerb. I remember the front fork being bent at 90 degrees, God knows where the wheels went and I was shitting my load cause of what my parents would say (never mind all the cuts and bruises).

I still have the scars to prove that day.

However, nothing beats the fight I had with a bus and car when I was 12. According to the doctors someone up there must have been looking out for me

[Mogster]

Ah...worst case of gravel rash i ever had was in Austraila...... lets just say there was nudity  , beer, a skateboard, a very large hill up in the Blue mountains and the honour of a nation to uphold....

Lets just say it didn't go well 

[O.C.]

Any protective clothing is in my opinion an absolute 'must' 

I can't imagine the excrutiating pain that would have to be endured during a course of serious skin grafting....apparently its an experience that no one ever wants to repeat...and yet bike riders still choose to 'excercise their rights' for the sake of looking 'cool'

PAH   

[jenros]

evening guys,
agree with you all 100% on this one,regular site up n down my road kids on scooters,shorts,t-shirt,n deck sandals,,,,
looks like good ole mam n dad as bought them a brand new scooter for leaving school,to run around on,,,with the baffles out to make it sounds like it doing 90!!!!!
when i had my off a few years ago,it was a 30ish mph off on a bend (diesel spill),,,had a pair of summer gloves on - the neoprene actually "burnt" on the ares where it touched the tarmac,almost melted away!!!!.
still got a few scars on my fingers now,although it was just a few scuffs,the outside of my left wrist where i went down an the glove Rolled up my wrist,hurt like fook for weeks
if your fortunate to survive,an not have to endure a few years of skin grafting,you may still end up with blood poisioning,,,from all the crap etc thats already on the tarmac,,along time before you intruduced yourself to the black stuff .
so,,always better to be safe than sorry,enjoy the weather guys,stay safe,and above all,,,,,,,ENJOY!!!!

[cpettifer]

The worse bike crash I had was as a kid. We used to do non handers frequently downhill whilst racing. I was on my beloved Raleigh Chopper mk 2 (silver with alloy wheels), and my mate on his Grifter. Unfortunately we hit a bumpy part of the road at speed and both went flying off right into the kerb. I remember the front fork being bent at 90 degrees, God knows where the wheels went and I was shitting my load cause of what my parents would say (never mind all the cuts and bruises).

I still have the scars to prove that day.

However, nothing beats the fight I had with a bus and car when I was 12. According to the doctors someone up there must have been looking out for me

I'm going to do the "topper" thing right now...!

A friend of mine (a likely story perhaps) on his push bike in London was knocked off by a lorry and found himself underneath it. In the seconds (or less?) he was underneath he realised the lorry was going to run over him. Realising it was going to run over his chest he had the presence of mind to pull himself further underneath so the rear wheels ran over his hips instead, thinking he had a better chance of survival. Miraculously he survived and the doctors are certain he would not had he not followed this course of action.

No protective gear would have saved him from that, unless his body armour was some kind of fully rigid shell that could withstand a lorry running over them!

[Kwikasfuki]

Speaking of retards, see the picture below.

On the A640 and I see a car in the ditch. Stop the bike to help.

The driver of the car has the bonnet open and is attempting to piss on the fire that has started. He's actually begging for the pee to come out.

Needless to say he doesn't succeed.

As the fire really gets hold, he lies on the grass wailing and crying.

Really was a sight to behold.

Looking at the skid marks I estimated he was doing about 100. I asked him what he was doing and he said 70 mph. I honestly think he thought the limit was 70mph. Its not.

[cpettifer]

The driver of the car has the bonnet open and is attempting to piss on the fire that has started. He's actually begging for the pee to come out.