Hello I'm not fortunate enough yet to be a GTR1400 Owner but as I am looking to upgrade from an older ZZR1200. I love my current ride except for the faffing about with the chain so i'm interested in the GTR1400 . i've read several reviews on the bike from the early models to the most recent & it ticks all the boxes for me.
I've seen quite a number of complaints about faults with KIPASS keyless ignition failing ie seemed to be quite a lot on You Tube about the solenoid sticking is this an issue with this particular model or a partucular year or am I seeing a lot of worse case scenarios? I love the GTR in all other respects . Thanks
I'm on my second one and never had a problem with it.
Owned a new one from 2011 and never had any issue, done 28k miles so far in all weathers.
Get one, you won't regret it.
Quote from: ossianuk on January 12, 2017, 08:17:29 PM
Hello I'm not fortunate enough yet to be a GTR1400 Owner but as I am looking to upgrade from an older ZZR1200. I love my current ride except for the faffing about with the chain so i'm interested in the GTR1400 . i've read several reviews on the bike from the early models to the most recent & it ticks all the boxes for me.
I've seen quite a number of complaints about faults with KIPASS keyless ignition failing ie seemed to be quite a lot on You Tube about the solenoid sticking is this an issue with this particular model or a partucular year or am I seeing a lot of worse case scenarios? I love the GTR in all other respects . Thanks
Dont worry about that its an easy fix with a little wd40 sprayed in the right spot then no probs after that. Its just a drying of the chanel that the switch slider sits in. Easy fix really. If you find a good one go for it mate youll love it 👍
I have a 2007 with 73k miles and still works fine on mine.
welcome ossianuk, I'm riding my fourth GTR since 2008, and I have never had a problem, as Mac says any issues are easy to resolve and frankly very rare.
Which model /year of GTR are you looking for.?
This is a superb forum wher good friendly banter and excellent information is all free of charge (a small occasional donation is greatfully received) :clap:
That's the internet for you.
For every one KIPass problem, there are thousands that work without fault, but then they never get reported.
As has been said, the odd one that plays up is easily fixed.
Quote from: doebag on January 13, 2017, 08:55:27 AM
That's the internet for you.
For every one KIPass problem, there are thousands that work without fault, but then they never get reported.
As has been said, the odd one that plays up is easily fixed.
I agree 100% I'm on my second GTR no issues whatsoever enjoy :yes: :yes:
Quote from: pross on January 13, 2017, 09:37:23 AM
I agree 100% I'm on my second GTR no issues whatsoever enjoy :yes: :yes:
Pross have you had the leaky cam sensor seal on either of your bikes at all ?
KIPASS? What's that then? :popcorn:
It happened to me.....twice, early on. Knock on wood, it hasn't happened again. I was able to get by it by cursing it quite severely and hitting it with my fist. I couldn't find any rocks and didn't have a hammer. Since then I've carried a small silver hammer for just in case...have never needed it. I'm not sure at all that lubrication of any sort helps it as it can get gummy after time. Every once in awhile I give it a spritz with contact cleaner at about the 9 o'clock position to blow any dirt out. Kwackers upgraded the spring in the ignition switch at some point on the later bikes. Can't tell you when that happened (10+?). You can't just get this spring as it's part of the ignition assembly, unfortunately.
One of our members, Brian, sells a wiring kit to get you by it and back on the road if it should happen. I also have that kit installed. It's not too expensive.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.0
If you really want the bike (OP) then buy it. Whilst it's been discussed until the Kaws come home, I wouldn't let that deter you.
Quote from: virginiajim on January 13, 2017, 11:15:57 AM
It happened to me.....twice, early on. Knock on wood, it hasn't happened again. I was able to get by it by cursing it quite severely and hitting it with my fist. I couldn't find any rocks and didn't have a hammer. Since then I've carried a small silver hammer (Got it from Maxwell) for just in case...have never needed it. I'm not sure at all that lubrication of any sort helps it as it can get gummy after time. Every once in awhile I give it a spritz with contact cleaner at about the 9 o'clock position to blow any dirt out. Kwackers upgraded the spring in the ignition switch at some point on the later bikes. Can't tell you when that happened (10+?). You can't just get this spring as it's part of the ignition assembly, unfortunately.
One of our members, Brian, sells a wiring kit to get you by it and back on the road if it should happen. I also have that kit installed. It's not too expensive.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.0
If you really want the bike (OP) then buy it. Whilst it's been discussed until the Kaws come home, I wouldn't let that deter you.
Quote from: Kylinski on January 13, 2017, 11:06:34 AM
KIPASS? What's that then? :popcorn:
You've never heard of KIPASS? Kawasaki Intelligent Proximity Activation Start System
Quote from: virginiajim on January 13, 2017, 11:15:57 AM
It happened to me.....twice, early on. Knock on wood, it hasn't happened again. I was able to get by it by cursing it quite severely and hitting it (ignition assembly) with my fist. I couldn't find any rocks and didn't have a hammer at the time. Since then I've carried a small silver hammer (got it from Maxwell) for just in case...have never needed it. I'm not sure at all that lubrication of any sort helps it as it can get gummy after time. Every once in awhile I give it a spritz with contact cleaner at about the 9 o'clock position to blow any dirt out. Kwackers upgraded the spring in the ignition switch at some point on the later bikes. Can't tell you when that happened (10+?). You can't just get this spring as it's part of the ignition assembly, unfortunately.
One of our members, Brian, sells a wiring kit to get you by it and back on the road if it should happen. I also have that kit installed. It's not too expensive.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.0
If you really want the bike (OP) then buy it. Whilst it's (KIPASS issues) been discussed until the Kaws come home, I wouldn't let that deter you.
Your posts are superb Jim....well worth duplicating :mfr_lol:
:smiley:
:mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:+1
Quote from: virginiajim on January 13, 2017, 11:18:44 AM
You've never heard of KIPASS? Kawasaki Intelligent Proximity Activation Start System
Just read up on it in the owners manual. Thrilling read :sleep1: :laugh:
Does anyone else struggle switching to the "on" position? Maybe it's because mine's new?
It looks embarrassing fiddling with ignition trying to start it up! :embarrassed:
shouldn't be difficult, apply slight downward pressure as you turn the cooker knob :yes:
Quote from: O.C. on January 13, 2017, 07:47:30 PM
shouldn't be difficult, apply slight downward pressure as you turn the cooker knob :yes:
Also if the steering lock is on, it helps to move the handlebars slightly to unload pressure on the lock mechanism
Only had an issue once and then it was a run down fob battery, changed it and all was well with the world, Keep the battery in tip top condition
Quote from: Macskwak on January 13, 2017, 11:03:37 AM
Pross have you had the leaky cam sensor seal on either of your bikes at all ?
No not on any of them on this later one I have had the F1 flash up twice in heavy rain and my dash has steamed up which I shall mention at the next service.
I press mine then leave a couple of seconds then turn it to on .works for me :yes:
Quote from: pross on January 13, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
No not on any of them on this later one I have had the F1 flash up twice in heavy rain and my dash has steamed up which I shall mention at the next service.
The dash on my GTR steamed up when parked in the car park at the Vimy memorial in 2010...it was about 85 f at the time though ....never happened with any of the GTRs I've owned since
Mind you it probably hasn't ever been that hot since then :mfr_lol:
Quote from: Kylinski on January 13, 2017, 07:35:01 PM
Just read up on it in the owners manual. Thrilling read :sleep1: :laugh:
Does anyone else struggle switching to the "on" position? Maybe it's because mine's new?
It looks embarrassing fiddling with ignition trying to start it up! :embarrassed:
o
Quote from: Kylinski on January 13, 2017, 11:06:34 AM
KIPASS? What's that then? :popcorn:
Not to be cofuzzled with K.I.S.S.A.S.S. :mfr_lol:
Quote from: Wookie on January 14, 2017, 01:48:18 PM
oNot to be cofuzzled with K.I.S.S.A.S.S. :mfr_lol:
:mfr_lol: :mfr_lol: peach
Quote from: O.C. on January 14, 2017, 08:48:22 AM
The dash on my GTR steamed up when parked in the car park at the Vimy memorial in 2010...it was about 85 f at the time though ....never happened with any of the GTRs I've owned since
Mind you it probably hasn't ever been that hot since then :mfr_lol:
Mine hasn't seen those temperatures O.C. :mfr_lol:
I'm thinking it's not waterproof and the steam up is caused by some heat inside and on the plastic I could be wrong :wacko:
Quote from: Kylinski on January 13, 2017, 07:35:01 PM
Just read up on it in the owners manual. Thrilling read :sleep1: :laugh:
Does anyone else struggle switching to the "on" position? Maybe it's because mine's new?
It looks embarrassing fiddling with ignition trying to start it up! :embarrassed:
Had the same issue. All sorted at the 4K service. It is the rubber seal, the Kawasaki mechanic said it is a problem on some new bikes easily fixed by "applying some lub and popping it back in". He also said it should be ok from now on. 😀
I press my knob, wiggle it a bit, then turn it. :banana:
Good Times :mfr_lol:
Quote from: Boomer on January 16, 2017, 08:14:17 PM
I press my knob, wiggle it a bit, then turn it. :banana:
Good Times :mfr_lol:
Boomer doesn't it make ya eyes water a bit ? :mfr_lol:
:mfr_lol:
Quote from: virginiajim on January 13, 2017, 11:15:57 AM
It happened to me.....twice, early on. Knock on wood, it hasn't happened again. I was able to get by it by cursing it quite severely and hitting it with my fist. I couldn't find any rocks and didn't have a hammer. Since then I've carried a small silver hammer for just in case...have never needed it. I'm not sure at all that lubrication of any sort helps it as it can get gummy after time. Every once in awhile I give it a spritz with contact cleaner at about the 9 o'clock position to blow any dirt out. Kwackers upgraded the spring in the ignition switch at some point on the later bikes. Can't tell you when that happened (10+?). You can't just get this spring as it's part of the ignition assembly, unfortunately.
One of our members, Brian, sells a wiring kit to get you by it and back on the road if it should happen. I also have that kit installed. It's not too expensive.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.0
If you really want the bike (OP) then buy it. Whilst it's been discussed until the Kaws come home, I wouldn't let that deter you.
Same here. It has happened to me once, 2500 miles away from home (and a long way from "civilisation"). After spending the best part of 30 minutes trying to get the cooker knob to the "ON" position (using ever increasing forms of persuasion) a hefty blow from a disc-lock finally jarred the micro-switch and brought the system to life. After that I rode all the way home leaving it in the "ON" position and disconnected the battery earth-lead whenever I wanted to "secure" the bike (overnight for example). Reconnecting the lead would instantly bring the ignition system back to life.
After that, I also fitted the wiring kit Jim mentioned. Pressure-washing the grit (I can only assume that's what it was) from around the ignition micro-switch area and I haven't had a problem since.
As others have mentioned, people only tend to rant on the internet when things go wrong; it's easy to forget the thousands+ of others for whom there really hasn't been any problems whatsoever.
So... Yeah. Just buy it :yes:
Cheers
Paul B.
Ok so I understand you have to have the fob within 5 ft (approx) of the bike in order for the KiPass to activate.
Question:
What happens if the bike is started and either it moves further away from the fob or the fob moves further away from the bike?
Quote from: mikeyw64 on January 18, 2017, 08:31:42 PM
Ok so I understand you have to have the fob within 5 ft (approx) of the bike in order for the KiPass to activate.
Question:
What happens if the bike is started and either it moves further away from the fob or the fob moves further away from the bike?
You've fallen off :-\
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That and nothing happens. You'll eventually get a message that says the fob is not within range, but it's usually too late by that time to ever find it again. The bike will not cut off, however, once stopped it will not start again.
Quote from: virginiajim on January 18, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
That and nothing happens. You'll eventually get a message that says the fob is not within range, but it's usually too late by that time to ever find it again. The bike will not cut off, however, once stopped it will not start again.
Interesting that it doesnt turn off. I would have thought it would as a security measure in the (admittedly unlikely I would think) event that someone rides off on your pride and joy whilst you're sat having a coffee.
Hmmm I can think of another use for that Bypass loom the chap on the other forum has come up with.
Extend the leads to a switch inside the glovebox and it can act as a hidden immobiliser that can be quickly set.
Quote from: virginiajim on January 18, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
That and nothing happens. You'll eventually get a message that says the fob is not within range, but it's usually too late by that time to ever find it again. The bike will not cut off, however, once stopped it will not start again.
Exactly correct, and I am speaking from experience :embarrassed:
Quote from: mikeyw64 on January 18, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
Interesting that it doesnt turn off. I would have thought it would as a security measure in the (admittedly unlikely I would think) event that someone rides off on your pride and joy whilst you're sat having a coffee.
Hmmm I can think of another use for that Bypass loom the chap on the other forum has come up with.
Extend the leads to a switch inside the glovebox and it can act as a hidden immobiliser that can be quickly set.
They can't ride off if you have the fob on your person. I would never ever leave the fob on the bike without me.
Wook duz .. but leaves a elf an safety notice stating
THE KEYS ARE UNDER THE WIFE ! AND SHE BITES :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
Quote from: virginiajim on January 18, 2017, 10:31:15 PM
They can't ride off if you have the fob on your person. I would never ever leave the fob on the bike without me.
Ok I'm confused, two other occupants suggest you can ride off and leave the fob behind.
Maybe one to test once I pick her up :)
You need to have the fob in close proximity to the bike to start it. Once it falls off the seat or where ever you left lying about on the bike or loose on your person you're up the creek as the bike goes down the road. I know some that leave it on the bike in one of the compartments so someone could come up to the bike and use the stove knob to start it....very bad practice in my opinion.
i left my fob attached to keys in my top box lock, the bike started ok as the fob was in close proximity, the keys and fob fell out of the top box whilst i was riding home, I didnt notice the message on my dash telling me the fob was out of proximity . I got home, stopped the bike and obviously it wouldnt re start as the fob was now miles and miles away somewhere .
It cost me about £250 for a new fob and re programming.
Moral, keep your fob safely secured about your person or in a jacket pocket
wonder if some clever person could figure out how to trigger an audible warning when the out of proximity message flashes up?
Quote from: virginiajim on January 18, 2017, 11:59:45 PM
You need to have the fob in close proximity to the bike to start it. Once it falls off the seat or where ever you left lying about on the bike or loose on your person you're up the creek as the bike goes down the road. I know some that leave it on the bike in one of the compartments so someone could come up to the bike and use the stove knob to start it....very bad practice in my opinion.
Yup I do agree that's bad practice.
Mythoughts were more around leaving it on a table and riding away or the slim chance someone could start whilst you were sat near /behind a window for example. (the latter being probably more theoretical I admit)
The key fob Goes on the inside of your bike jacket , there is no reason to take it out , leave it there and you will not have any problems, get another key cut for the panniers and petrol cap , I wish more vehicles had keyless , :biker3:
Quote from: nightrider on January 19, 2017, 07:24:53 AM
The key fob Goes on the inside of your bike jacket , there is no reason to take it out , leave it there and you will not have any problems, get another key cut for the panniers and petrol cap , I wish more vehicles had keyless , :biker3:
True, just remember to take it out if you leave your jacket in one of the panniers whilst wandering around ;)
Quote from: mikeyw64 on January 19, 2017, 07:42:27 AM
True, just remember to take it out if you leave your jacket in one of the panniers whilst wandering around ;)
Correct, it really is no more difficult than remembering any set of keys, house or car etc.,
In my opinion the advantages of KIPASS outweigh the disadvantages :yes:
Quote from: O.C. on January 19, 2017, 07:47:14 AM
Correct, it really is no more difficult than remembering any set of keys, house or car etc.,
In my opinion the advantages of KIPASS outweigh the disadvantages :yes:
An audible out of proximity alarm would still be nice though :)
Yep that's a possibility, I imagine one of our more technically minded members may have a solution. :yes:
Maybe KHI have ideas/plans too, that is if the GTR is to continue in production in the future :whistling:
This is how I do it always around my neck when on the bike.
I cannot leave it in a jacket in case I change gear. Works for me :yes:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d31/anthonyprosser/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-05/236D3425-CDAB-4DA9-82A3-DAB57E3F5CB8_zpsmslimbo5.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/anthonyprosser/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-05/236D3425-CDAB-4DA9-82A3-DAB57E3F5CB8_zpsmslimbo5.jpg.html)
Quote from: nightrider on January 19, 2017, 07:24:53 AM
The key fob Goes on the inside of your bike jacket , there is no reason to take it out , leave it there and you will not have any problems, get another key cut for the panniers and petrol cap , I wish more vehicles had keyless , :biker3:
:agree: A locksmith booth in Tesco's cut new keys for me in a few moments at minumum cost. Much better when stopping at petrol stations etc.
Quote from: nightrider on January 19, 2017, 07:24:53 AM
The key fob Goes on the inside of your bike jacket , there is no reason to take it out , leave it there and you will not have any problems, get another key cut for the panniers and petrol cap , I wish more vehicles had keyless , :biker3:
Yep second that nightrider. Its where mine stays always but i use the key inside it for my paniers and tank cos the oven knob key is made of cheese so wont risk bending it
But isn't it like all fings ...
If ya divvent ram it in and yank it oot lots ....
It gaans geet tight like !!! :banana:
Quote from: Wookie on January 19, 2017, 12:16:39 PM
But isn't it like all fings ...
If ya divvent ram it in and yank it oot lots ....
It gaans geet tight like !!! :banana:
may I suggest lubrication :popcorn:
Aye it helps ... but it don't make up for non usage :mfr_lol:
It needs a good waggle at least 3 times a week.
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Also haveing good grippy fingers helps when it gets stuck :mfr_lol:
I fitted a keyless petrol cap for the tank , so don't have to mess with fob key or stove one It's a lot better , the stove one always felt like if the key snapped of on that then you would be f---ed , :biker3:
What flummoxed? :wink:
Quote from: nightrider on January 19, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
I fitted a keyless petrol cap for the tank , so don't have to mess with fob key or stove one It's a lot better , the stove one always felt like if the key snapped of on that then you would be f---ed , :biker3:
Where did you get it from?
Alan
Got mine from Germany , bs- motor parts uk have the same ones for sale , there is one on eBay at the moment for sale , ,