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Title: Bloody FSS....
Post by: hensor on January 04, 2016, 11:15:21 AM
Hi All, I recently bought an '09 GTR, and I love it !!!

One small issue is that the key is stuck in the ignition and won't come out when turned to FSS.....I've noticed a few people have had similar problems but can't see if there is a good solution to getting the fekkin thing out !!!

I'm a bit nervous about the mole grip solution if there is something mechanical actually locking it in....

It would be useful to be able to get the thing out as ferreting around for keys in 3 layers of winter clobber is a bit of a pain.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: nightrider on January 04, 2016, 11:34:28 AM
I would try a bit of wd40 , if you have a spare key ,then get a keyless petrol cap , leave it in place never to be touched again , only needing a key for the seat and panniers , the key and holder always seemed a bit like a accident waiting to happen , with a keyless petrol cap you never have to take it out, far safer,  :biker3:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 04, 2016, 12:00:26 PM
if its stuck tight then some WD40 should ease the situation

I have for some time recommended the use of proper lock grahite powder which if used should NOT be used in conjunction with a product like WD40 which is solvent based and will cause a mighty blockage within the barrel

Here's what I recommend. ....hope this helps and good luck  :yes: 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/C-K-Graphite-Powder-Lock-Lubricant-Cylinder-Car-Padlock-K30050-50g-/141855074553?hash=item210738a8f9:m:mU82lVx6CAlOJcmJ5ASwT1w 
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 04, 2016, 03:49:23 PM
Unfortunately it may be bent, especially if it's been used externally to the ignition switch itself like the cases and gas tank.  The only way short of a locksmith would be to keep wiggling/prying it and hope for the best.

Here is some entertaining reading on stuck key syndrome from our site..  However, the gist of it is to get a big pair of vice grips and give it a good yank. 

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12862.0
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Martyn1965 on January 04, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Do people leave that key in the ignition when the bike is left etc. I thought you just took the the fob with you. Must admit it all seems a crap system.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 04, 2016, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: Martyn1965 on January 04, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Do people leave that key in the ignition when the bike is left etc. I thought you just took the the fob with you. Must admit it all seems a crap system.

It may be crap, but it's our crap.  I never take it out of the ignition.  I have a spare key that I use for the cases and tank.  That stove key is easily bent.  It's made out of  :censored:.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: nightrider on January 04, 2016, 06:56:17 PM
Quote from: Martyn1965 on January 04, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Do people leave that key in the ignition when the bike is left etc. I thought you just took the the fob with you. Must admit it all seems a crap system.
.               It's a good system , all you do is put the fob inside your jacket , walk to the bike and turn the ignition on and away you go , no looking or fumberling about looking for your key or any chance of losing it , do away with the lockable fuel cap ,and it's ideal ,just use a another key for the panniers
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Martyn1965 on January 04, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
I wonder insurance wise then are you supposed to remove the ignition key ?
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 04, 2016, 08:35:51 PM
Beats me.  I've never had an insurance company tell me that I needed to remove it but I'm in the States.  No telling what your ins companies want you to do.  No one can start it without the fob or the rfid card.  Course if you are silly enough to leave the fob on the bike then all bets are off.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: nightrider on January 04, 2016, 08:41:46 PM
The fob is the ignition key ,without that the bike will not start , lose that like some. One did on holiday and its £1500 to put right , my BMW car has a starter Button but without the key it will not start , all it does where the key is ,is to just make it live so you can start the bike ,
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 04, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
The Kawasaki KIPASS system, which the key and fob are integral parts, is an insurance accepted anti theft system  :yes:   



http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/en/about_kawasaki/technology-more/kipass?Uid=059BWlhZXFhZWlBZXVlbWVtbUVBeW0YNBkU9Iw
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: pross on January 04, 2016, 09:08:48 PM
Quote from: virginiajim on January 04, 2016, 06:32:58 PM
It may be crap, but it's our crap.  I never take it out of the ignition.  I have a spare key that I use for the cases and tank.  That stove key is easily bent.  It's made out of  :censored:.


Mine has never been out I use the key in the fob for fueling and to open the panniers  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: SirToU on January 04, 2016, 10:20:48 PM
Never had a problem in 110,000 miles of ownership in terms of stuck key.

if your going to use pliers or similar - use a folded tea towel or something similar so you don't scratch the key, be forceful, but only inline with the barrel would be my advice. i.e not sideways.

does the lock click when you push it in?

Neil

Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: flatfour on January 05, 2016, 08:15:15 AM
For the three years that I had a GTR, I didn't ever try to remove the "Stove Key". The fuel cap and panniers were accessed by using the key in the fob, which sat in my wallet whenever the bike was in use. Carrying the fob in this way was prompted by a local dealership sending someone on a demo ride who decided to stop some fifty miles away on the coast for an ice cream and then couldn't restart the bike. The fob was found on the Sales Desk in the Showroom.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 05, 2016, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: flatfour on January 05, 2016, 08:15:15 AM
For the three years that I had a GTR, I didn't ever try to remove the "Stove Key". The fuel cap and panniers were accessed by using the key in the fob, which sat in my wallet whenever the bike was in use. Carrying the fob in this way was prompted by a local dealership sending someone on a demo ride who decided to stop some fifty miles away on the coast for an ice cream and then couldn't restart the bike. The fob was found on the Sales Desk in the Showroom.

I don't see how that could happen, surely the bike cannot be started unless the stove key is in the ignition and in the 'on' position, then surely the stove key cannot be removed when the bike is running ...is it me or have I missed summat  :wacko:   
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: doebag on January 05, 2016, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: Martyn1965 on January 04, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
I wonder insurance wise then are you supposed to remove the ignition key ?

With the KIPASS energised but engine off, turn the key fully left to the lock position. Walk away so KIPASS fob is out of range and the stove key is locked into place with the steering lock applied.
Complies with insurance wanting you to leave the steering lock on.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: doebag on January 05, 2016, 10:45:35 AM
............and I always find it helps to push down on the fuel filler cap when turning the key. It takes some of the pressure off the lock.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 05, 2016, 10:47:57 AM
Quote from: doebag on January 05, 2016, 10:45:35 AM
............and I always find it helps to push down on the fuel filler cap when turning the key. It takes some of the pressure off the lock.

:agree:   :yes: 
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: hensor on January 05, 2016, 02:05:29 PM
So the advice so far is either....

1) Give it a yank and hope for the best
2) Leave well alone

Option 2) looks good to me !!!
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: doebag on January 05, 2016, 02:16:27 PM
1/ Providing you can hear the mechanism clicking when you depress the key, yes.

2/I would NOT leave it in, I think that is half the problem. A bit of lock lubricant, and use the key once in a while to prevent any corrosion/crud building up
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 05, 2016, 02:55:09 PM
Quote from: hensor on January 05, 2016, 02:05:29 PM
So the advice so far is either....

1) Give it a yank and hope for the best
2) Leave well alone

Option 2) looks good to me !!!

No sense of adventure, eh?
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Lonewolf on January 05, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
I can lend you a Stihl saw if that'd help.  :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 05, 2016, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on January 05, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
I can lend you a Stihl saw if that'd help.  :mfr_lol:

Is that the one that comes as part of the BMW toolkit Steve   
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 05, 2016, 05:17:14 PM
 :mfr_lol: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Lonewolf on January 05, 2016, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: O.C. on January 05, 2016, 05:00:51 PM
Is that the one that comes as part of the BMW toolkit Steve




:gun_bandana:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: flatfour on January 06, 2016, 04:58:16 PM
O.C. the Salesman apparently started the bike, as they usually do at his dealership, leaving it to warm up. "Stove Key" in ignition and fob in Salesman's hand. Salesman then went into the Showroom to deal with another customer, leaving fob on the desk for demo rider to pick up. Demo rider had already signed the paperwork and went straight off without collecting the fob, they tell me.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Charlie747 on January 06, 2016, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: flatfour on January 06, 2016, 04:58:16 PM
O.C. the Salesman apparently started the bike, as they usually do at his dealership, leaving it to warm up. "Stove Key" in ignition and fob in Salesman's hand. Salesman then went into the Showroom to deal with another customer, leaving fob on the desk for demo rider to pick up. Demo rider had already signed the paperwork and went straight off without collecting the fob, they tell me.

:oops:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 06, 2016, 07:31:16 PM
gotcha, what a cock up,

Mind you I did once manage to drive a Ford Kuga (button start) I owned into town, turn the engine off, only to realise that I'd left the key fob at home in  a jacket pocket that I'd just changed out of after starting the car  :oops: 
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 06, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
Just this morning I started our Prius up for my wife and had to remind her to make sure that she had her fob with her..  I think though that the Prius has enough warnings to let her know that the fob is missing.  The bike has a warning also but it takes some time to come on.  I'll have to test that one day to see how long but it does tell you the fob is missing at some point.  I don't know if it's time, distance, or both.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Lonewolf on January 06, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: virginiajim on January 06, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
Just this morning I started our Prius up for my wife and had to remind her to make sure that she had her fob with her..  I think though that the Prius has enough warnings to let her know that the fob is missing.  The bike has a warning also but it takes some time to come on.  I'll have to test that one day to see how long but it does tell you the fob is missing at some point.  I don't know if it's time, distance, or both.


Jim, I'm sorry but you lost me on the 7th word....Prius :mfr_lol: I thought you'd have an American muscle car at the very least.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 06, 2016, 08:21:53 PM
It's my second one.  Wore out the first.  I do have a 91 Dodge Dakota with a V8 but I wouldn't consider it a muscle car/truck.

It's alright, though.  My forum makes fun of me as well when I mention the P word.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Lonewolf on January 06, 2016, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: virginiajim on January 06, 2016, 08:21:53 PM
It's my second one.  Wore out the first.  I do have a 91 Dodge Dakota with a V8 but I wouldn't consider it a muscle car/truck.

It's alright, though.  My forum makes fun of me as well when I mention the P word.


At least when you wore out the first one it will have still been within its 12 month warranty.... :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 06, 2016, 08:59:24 PM
No, I ran out of the warranty in a quarter of the year.  Had 300,000 miles on it, 8 years old.  Bloody good car.  Good gas mileage.  Still on the original traction batteries.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 06, 2016, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: virginiajim on January 06, 2016, 08:59:24 PM
No, I ran out of the warranty in a quarter of the year.  Had 300,000 miles on it, 8 years old.  Bloody good car.  Good gas mileage.  Still on the original traction batteries.

good job it isn't a traction engine Jim  :mfr_lol:   
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 06, 2016, 09:41:56 PM
Quote from: O.C. on January 06, 2016, 09:27:58 PM
good job it isn't a traction engine Jim  :mfr_lol:   

The engine wasn't much in that car.  It's a bigger engine in the new one.  I get my kicks from the C14.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: doebag on January 06, 2016, 10:14:06 PM
Every time I hear mention of the Toyota Prius, my brain registers it as Toyota 'prepuce'
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 06, 2016, 10:55:05 PM
And so it begins...sigh.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Lonewolf on January 06, 2016, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: O.C. on January 06, 2016, 09:27:58 PM
good job it isn't a traction engine Jim  :mfr_lol:   


Or even a tractor engine! :popcorn:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: hensor on January 07, 2016, 07:41:17 AM
Option 1) worked.....with force and 3 in 1 everything came out OK.....all I need to do now is find who in Kawasaki thinks plasticine is a good material for keys

:tank:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: PRD on January 07, 2016, 09:05:58 AM
Result! Now you can go back to loving one of the best bikes there is.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 07, 2016, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: hensor on January 07, 2016, 07:41:17 AM
Option 1) worked.....with force and 3 in 1 everything came out OK.....all I need to do now is find who in Kawasaki thinks plasticine is a good material for keys

:tank:

Good luck and if you do, then it's required that you spill the beans  :wink:   :mfr_lol: 

BTW, KHI do listen to their customer base via their operation here in the U.K I think its fair to say that despite problems that some customers have experienced with the Kawasaki product that most owners do have faith in the product ~ I know that I do  :yes: 
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 07, 2016, 09:08:05 AM
Quote from: PRD on January 07, 2016, 09:05:58 AM
Result! Now you can go back to loving one of the best bikes there is.

:yes:  PRD are you on commission  :mfr_lol:   
Title: Re: Bloody
Post by: Charlie747 on January 07, 2016, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: O.C. on January 07, 2016, 09:08:05 AM
:yes:  PRD are you on commission  :mfr_lol:   

Na..............The boys loved up with his mint condition GTR...........and who can blame him   :punk:
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: PRD on January 07, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
When I consider changing this bike I always,at mo, come to the conclusion that I would only change it for another gtr. In this country I think it is greatly under rated.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: O.C. on January 07, 2016, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: PRD on January 07, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
When I consider changing this bike I always,at mo, come to the conclusion that I would only change it for another gtr. In this country I think it is greatly under rated.

So you are on commission then  :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol: 
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: PRD on January 07, 2016, 06:49:49 PM
Mind you I do quite like the look of fur but you can't put a top box on I'm told.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Charlie747 on January 07, 2016, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: PRD on January 07, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
When I consider changing this bike I always,at mo, come to the conclusion that I would only change it for another gtr. In this country I think it is greatly under rated.

I've been with PRD while he's been in his contemplating mode..............

We were looking at Moto Guzzi at the time.......a bike full of charm ..................but possibly able to strand you on the roadside with random frequency.

GTR feisty fun filled reliable riding that is so underrated.

PRD is right in what he says ............what else could replace his GTR
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Debs on January 08, 2016, 03:35:16 AM
My "Cooker Knob" never comes out.. I have had a key cut for the fuel cap and the fob is always in a zipped pocket on my jacket and never comes out..

I have these for my panniers.  :banana:

(http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y411/bikergirl1400/20150911_162631_zpsr4fa2oxe.jpg) (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/bikergirl1400/media/20150911_162631_zpsr4fa2oxe.jpg.html)
(http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y411/bikergirl1400/20150911_180858_zpsngzcluvm.jpg) (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/bikergirl1400/media/20150911_180858_zpsngzcluvm.jpg.html)
(http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y411/bikergirl1400/20150911_180917_zpsrkjsgbyv.jpg) (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/bikergirl1400/media/20150911_180917_zpsrkjsgbyv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Lonewolf on January 08, 2016, 08:34:27 AM
That's a novel idea, I like it. 
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: doebag on January 08, 2016, 09:25:00 AM
Elegant as always Debs. I do like the look of those.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 08, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
Lovely knobs, Debs.  How did you keep the keys vertical?
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: PRD on January 08, 2016, 12:14:41 PM
I always try to keep my knob vertical!
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 08, 2016, 01:19:16 PM
Twit.
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Debs on January 08, 2016, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: virginiajim on January 08, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
Lovely knobs, Debs.  How did you keep the keys vertical?

Epoxy resin. It was very easy to do. Got the knobs from Radio Shack :)
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 08, 2016, 03:39:14 PM
Most of our RS went out of business.  I see one occasionally, though. 
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: Debs on January 08, 2016, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: virginiajim on January 08, 2016, 03:39:14 PM
Most of our RS went out of business.  I see one occasionally, though.

Look on ebay or amazon
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: STX1300man on January 08, 2016, 11:04:54 PM
The pannier knobs look very neat, but what do you do when you park up? Do you take the knobs with you? If so, why not just use the key you've had cut for the fuel cap? Am I missing something?

I just use the cooker knob for everything and keep the fob in a waterproof pocket. Is the key on it so easily damaged?
Title: Re: Bloody FSS....
Post by: virginiajim on January 09, 2016, 04:06:29 AM
The stove (or cooker, I like that) key can get 'bent' easier than most keys.  We've seen a few instances of that on our side.