Can anyone explain why anyone would want a keyless fuel cap on a road bike?
I can understand the reason for having one on a race bike.
I think Viper has one but not sure..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fuel-cap-Kawasaki-GTR-1400-ZZR-1400-06-13-black-/400527491884?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item5d414c832c
If there is little risk of fuel theft, why not. Many of the Yanks fit them so they don't have to use the key.
Quote from: Boomer on July 17, 2013, 07:49:15 PM
If there is little risk of fuel theft, why not. Many of the Yanks fit them so they don't have to use the key.
At their fuel prices they may get away with it but not here. :mfr_lol:
Asif had one on his. At the end of the day I guess it saves a lot of messing about. You still get the occasional theft of diesel from HGV's but I can honestly say I've never been to a job where unleaded has been nicked from a car, never mind a bike.
Quote from: Lonewolf on July 17, 2013, 08:00:33 PM
Asif had one on his. At the end of the day I guess it saves a lot of messing about. You still get the occasional theft of diesel from HGV's but I can honestly say I've never been to a job where unleaded has been nicked from a car, never mind a bike.
OK, let's all get keyless fuel caps and see how long that will stay true. :mfr_lol:
Never tempt fate! :mfr_lol:
They may be keyless but you still have to put the cap somewhere , a flip up keyless one would be much better,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :banana:
yup, ive got a keyless fuel cap and to be honest ive been using them for 20 years or so on my bikes, now you can get decent ones but years ago i used to fab my own. I find the ease of not having to use a key so easy and convienient , key ones i have used have started to weaken the key eventually. my bikes have always been in a garage and only get used on nice weekends, so the chances of fuel theft for me are very very small, its never happened and ive not heard of it happening ! the only time the bike is exposed is on our euro tour once a year. if someone wanted my fuel im sure a key cap wouldnt be much of a challenge . some bikes you can still drain the fuel from the petcock anyway
If you find the Kipass feature on the GTR convienient then you will feel the same about the keycap, incidently ive had a key cut that fits the panniers and seat and that is on the ring with my topbox key, i never need to take the fob out of my pocket and the cooker knob never gets taken out of the ignition which greatly prolongs the life of the often reported troublesome Ig barrel
Quote from: viper on July 17, 2013, 10:11:41 PM
yup, ive got a keyless fuel cap and to be honest ive been using them for 20 years or so on my bikes, now you can get decent ones but years ago i used to fab my own. I find the ease of not having to use a key so easy and convienient , key ones i have used have started to weaken the key eventually. my bikes have always been in a garage and only get used on nice weekends, so the chances of fuel theft for me are very very small, its never happened and ive not heard of it happening ! the only time the bike is exposed is on our euro tour once a year. if someone wanted my fuel im sure a key cap wouldnt be much of a challenge . some bikes you can still drain the fuel from the petcock anyway
Why do you think they invented lockable fuel caps in the first place? :ohplease:
In the days when most cars and bikes didn't have them petrol theft wasn't as uncommon as you may think.
You make it easy for thieves and they will nick it regardless of the value.
Most people didn't even notice their tank had been siphoned since they usually only stole a couple of litres at a time.
And as far as petcocks go, that may be right for old bikes but you would have a hard time to get at the fuel line of a GTR or most other fuel injected bikes.
I stopped using the big key of the GTR because, and there you are 100% right, it is just too easy to bend it. Therefore I only use the spare key in the card thingy for panniers and the fuel cap. Now hassle at all and you try to bend that one! :no:
I just found it alot more convenient tbh. Saves messing about at the petrol station
Quote from: Kwikasfuki on July 17, 2013, 10:45:04 PM
I just found it alot more convenient tbh. Saves messing about at the petrol station
Now if I really wanted to save messing about at the petrol station I would just siphon my fuel out of your tank. :mfr_lol:
Quicker and a lot cheaper too. :whistling:
The only disadvantage is that petrol tastes really horrible and you often end up with some in your mouth when you suck on the hose. :embarrassed:
Well, I for one would like to have a keyless fuel cap. Much less hassle when filling up.
Just a pity we don't get them down here in the RSA !!! :gun_bandana:
Deon
Quote from: mecki on July 17, 2013, 10:53:53 PM
you often end up with some in your mouth when you suck
ooi !!
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Quote from: Lonewolf on July 17, 2013, 08:00:33 PM
Asif had one on his. At the end of the day I guess it saves a lot of messing about. You still get the occasional theft of diesel from HGV's but I can honestly say I've never been to a job where unleaded has been nicked from a car, never mind a bike.
LW,
Unfortunately I have been to many inc's where petrol has been stolen from cars, forget the locking fuel caps though, the toerags get under the car and just cut the fuel line.....
Shame they never managed to cover themselves in said petrol and ignite it!!!
At the end of the day, if someone wants to nick it, they will. I guess its all personal choice, and if it works for you, go for it. If Viper has managed 20years without losing fuel, then its clearly working for him, and good on you i say.
I'll stick with the locking one, cos I'm too lazy to change it :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
SB
We must have been extremely lucky then. We do however get a lot of cat converters nicked, big money in them.
As you say though if someone wants it they'll just take it anyway, you can only do your best to safeguard your belongings, the rest of it unfortunately in today's society appears to be down to luck!
Having fuel syphoned/stolen from your car or bike is at best an inconvenience.
However having something deposited into your tank could prove to be a major problem........I'm thinking sugar (no not Alan) :shocked:
:agree:
Quote from: Lonewolf on July 18, 2013, 08:07:12 AM
We must have been extremely lucky then. We do however get a lot of cat converters nicked, big money in them.
Good luck to them for nicking the CATs off my car. It's a diesel. :-)
Best way to stop CAT theft would be to target the scrap metal dealers.
Someone is paying the scum to nick them.
As for fuel theft, I've only ever seen it once and that was when 2 scumbags spiked the bottom of the tank on my Z1300.
It did have a big tank so they ended up wearing a lot of petrol, according to witnesses.
Lots on the ground too. Luckily the bike didn't catch fire as it was very hot after a long days riding.
Insurance paid up and I got a brand new tank but for 4 days I had to ride the company CX650 Turbos again and they were NASTY bikes! :mfr_lol:
Would it be possible to install a wire mesh at the same time as the keyless cap? At least it would stop anyone syphoning the petrol off, or do you think that would just be a complete waste of time and money?
Debs, I wouldn't personally bother. The odds are so slim on anyone nicking your fuel, it'd be more hassle than it's worth.
I agree with the last statement.... If someone wants it that badly, they will get it regardless.
In terms of keyless fuel cap, I think Kawasaki missed a trick. on 2010 models - you now have a lockable glove box, which is remotely locked and the fuel cap would be just as easy and conveinient.
So easy in fact that when I tested the Ducati Multistrada (also with keyless ignition) , if you look through the accessories book it is an optional extra....
I say bring it on - until it fails ;-)
Neil
Quote from: SirToU on July 28, 2013, 02:24:43 PM
I say bring it on - until it fails ;-)
Neil
Surely nothing on the GTR would fail, would it? Kawasaki wouldn't allow that to occur would they? :popcorn:
Quote from: Boomer on July 18, 2013, 05:34:19 PM
Good luck to them for nicking the CATs off my car. It's a diesel. :-)
Best way to stop CAT theft would be to target the scrap metal dealers.
Someone is paying the scum to nick them.
Many modern diesels also have CATs, dunno if they are as valuable as the petrol car ones.
Personally I can not see the point of the keyless fuel cap, it only takes a few seconds to open the locking one with the stove knob, especially if you remember to turn off to the right instead of the normal left.....
Richard
My thought is that there is a greater chance that somebody will dump something in (i.e. sugar) than try to steal fuel.
List of potential sugar donors starts with pissed of neighbors to kids who don't have nothing smarter to do. :grin:
But it looks cool, though. :yes:
i think that if my bike was on a driveway everynight then maybe i wouldnt be so pro the K/L cap. my bike is either in the garage, between my legs or parked somewhere nice on a sunday while im in the coffee shop getting a butty . the only time my bike is ever exposed is on tour in the alps ect and most of the time we use bike friendly hotels with underground parking.
Quote from: Richard on July 28, 2013, 08:03:38 PM
Many modern diesels also have CATs, dunno if they are as valuable as the petrol car ones.
Richard
I learn something new every day. Yer right, my car does have multiple CATs.
Quote from: Boomer on July 30, 2013, 10:36:41 AM
I learn something new every day. Yer right, my car does have multiple CATs.
Hi Boomer
Your modern diesel will run partial filters and if a commercial vehicle complying with Euro standards will possibly use a version of urine to help partial reduction
Its well worth checking out the life / cost of these filters especially if you fund your own vehicle. They aren't cheap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sad:
Charlie
It's a 2001 S-Class Merc 320CDI so no urea filters or particle filters.
It's a nice big quiet comfy motorway cruiser that gets 36Mpg average and nearly 50Mpg on motorways. :grin:
To stay on topic it has a keyless fuel cap that is linked to the central locking. :mfr_lol: