- is there any issue with getting a duplicate key made for the pannier/fuel cap ?
- Want to have the key easily accessible during fuel/rest stops without needing to dig out the fob to extract the key.
- thanks
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No issues at all. Your local locksmith should be able to cut one
There shouldnt be. I had the same problem when riding the bike back from seller last sunday. Got to a petrol station and spent 10 minutes finding the fob in my jacket, removing the key etc etc When I get time Ill go to a cutter with the spare key and get 2 cut.
(Still cant work out when the glove box thing unlocks itself - mind you Ive only spent a couple of hours with the bike so far).
So why do you need a fourth key? :huh:
I always use the 3rd key that came with the bike. You know the one in the little black plastic case? :no: ?
Quote from: tommytool on July 11, 2012, 12:39:54 PM
(Still cant work out when the glove box thing unlocks itself - mind you Ive only spent a couple of hours with the bike so far).
It will only unlock when the ignition is turned on. :oops:
cheers for that - I dont want to rely on the spare key in the black thing as there is a chip inside the case to start the bike if the FOB doesnt work - (I think) Dont want to lose that so duplicate key was my thinking.
Quote from: tommytool on July 11, 2012, 12:49:44 PM
cheers for that - I dont want to rely on the spare key in the black thing as there is a chip inside the case to start the bike if the FOB doesnt work - (I think) Dont want to lose that so duplicate key was my thinking.
Well, that is another reason why I always have it in my jacket pocket together with the top case key. :yes:
It'll even fit in your wallet.
What good is it at home if the fob should decide to pack it in a thousand miles away? :surrender:
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Quote from: tommytool on July 11, 2012, 12:39:54 PM
There shouldnt be. I had the same problem when riding the bike back from seller last sunday. Got to a petrol station and spent 10 minutes finding the fob in my jacket, removing the key etc etc When I get time Ill go to a cutter with the spare key and get 2 cut
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- hi. The same thing occurred to me.
- will cut a spare key , and keep it somewhere convenient for easy use during fuel/rest stops , without having to worry too much about what to do if that key is lost/misplaced.
- I don't carry the spare (emergency fob) key. That one is kept at home. If the primary fob's batt dies, the bike can still be started by mating the cut-out of the primary fob with the tab portion on the barrel.
- if I lose the primary fob altogether during the ride , well , I only have myself to blame then (hence the warning in the manual to check for the presence of the fob BEFORE shutting down the bike).
- if i have read the manual correctly , once the engine is already running , the bike will not shut down even if the fob is lost (though you will see the warning on the dash "NO TRANSPONDER"). Hence the warning to check for the fob before shutting down the engine.
- If so, there is even more reason to have duplicate keys cut for the pannier/fuel to enable you to get fuel and get home (by not shutting down the engine) even if your fob is lost.
- of course Mecki is correct that if you lose your primary fob and have shut down your engine , you're sunk unless you have the spare fob on hand. This i feel is where our KiPass is not well thought out, cf the HD system which has a specific turn-signal-button-sequence which allows for the bike to start without the presence of the fob.
- I hope my understanding of the above is right , and welcome any correction/suggestion here.
Thanks.
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I keep the transponder iun my bike jacket which is always with me when riding
Spare keys can be cut by Timpsons on the high street, and they are a bit larger than the spare supplied with the bike and therefore easier to use with gloves etc.,
My spare key is on a neck cord around my neck which is also always with me when riding :mfr_lol:
Why not just use the key in the ignition?
having a spare key cut is a great idea , i keep it on the same ring as my topbox key, transponder in my bike jacket , spare black key in the wingmans jacket , both on lanyards within the pockets, we aint taking no chances .
Pistole, Unless I am mistaken I think your understanding of the fobs is a little awry. My understanding is that It's the spare fob (black thing) that will start the bike when held against the tab on the barrel, and not the main fob as you state. Which in my opinion makes it essential that you carry the spare (black thing) at all times, just in case the main fob is lost, or damaged. Also regarding re-fueling, I dont understand all this "I must have another key cut " nonsense, for when I need to open the tank, just take the main fob out, and use that, I'ts only like taking an ordinary key out so what is everyones problem?. I do as Roger does and always carry the spare on a lanyard around my neck. :smiley:
Quote from: 100milesaway on July 11, 2012, 06:27:33 PM
Pistole, Unless I am mistaken I think your understanding of the fobs is a little awry. My understanding is that It's the spare fob (black thing) that will start the bike when held against the tab on the barrel, and not the main fob as you state. Which in my opinion makes it essential that you carry the spare (black thing) at all times, just in case the main fob is lost, or damaged. Also regarding re-fueling, I dont understand all this "I must have another key cut " nonsense, for when I need to open the tank, just take the main fob out, and use that, I'ts only like taking an ordinary key out so what is everyones problem?. I do as Roger does and always carry the spare on a lanyard around my neck. :smiley:
i think some owners , like me, are worried about losing the main black fob and taking it out of your pocket and removing the little key for panniers and fuel is just tempting fate, for the sake of £4 to get another pannier /fuel key cut means that the main black fob can stay inside the jacket on a lanyard and never be removed . We have all lost and bent bike keys and id rather lose my timpsons copy than the kawasaki specific key that slots into the main fob
just my 2cents
Quote from: viper on July 11, 2012, 06:34:06 PM
i think some owners , like me, are worried about losing the main black fob and taking it out of your pocket and removing the little key for panniers and fuel is just tempting fate, for the sake of £4 to get another pannier /fuel key cut means that the main black fob can stay inside the jacket on a lanyard and never be removed . We have all lost and bent bike keys and id rather lose my timpsons copy than the kawasaki specific key that slots into the main fob
just my 2cents
Sorry Viper I didn't explain myself all that well. When re-fueling I didn't mean the main fob, I meant the main ignition key. I also keep the main fob in my inside pocket, and it never moves from one week to another. :smiley:
ah the cooker knob, that never leaves its slot, the way ive got my sat nav fitted its a bit fiddly removing it, plus ive got a key less fuel cap.
I have to admit although I obviously have the fob with me tucked away in a zipped jacket pocket I dont take the card thingy with me. If the bike breaks down it'd be a recovery for me. I'd be too paranoid that if I had both items with me and I was daft enough to lose both, (its possible) :whistling: I'd end up needing a new ingnition system or something.
As for a spare key for the panniers, fuel cap, £5 from the high street key cutter. They even use Kawaski keys.
Quote from: Lonewolf on July 11, 2012, 08:26:40 PM
I have to admit although I obviously have the fob with me tucked away in a zipped jacket pocket I dont take the card thingy with me. If the bike breaks down it'd be a recovery for me. I'd be too paranoid that if I had both items with me and I was daft enough to lose both, (its possible) :whistling: I'd end up needing a new ingnition system or something.
As for a spare key for the panniers, fuel cap, £5 from the high street key cutter. They even use Kawaski keys.
Lose BOTH keys!!!!!!It's me thats 64 ya muppet :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
What is the card for on the new models?
I always have the fob in my jacket. It goes with me
I've never tested it but I gather if the bike wont start you hold it near the headstock or something and supposedly the bike should start!
Kwikas If you hold the spare fob ( black thing) in a certain way against the ignition switch, it enables you to switch the ignition on. And yes it does work. :yes:
Quote from: 100milesaway on July 11, 2012, 08:38:58 PM
Kwikas If you hold the spare fob ( black thing) in a certain way against the ignition switch, it enables you to switch the ignition on. And yes it does work. :yes:
Quote from: Lonewolf on July 11, 2012, 08:34:18 PM
I've never tested it but I gather if the bike wont start you hold it near the headstock or something and supposedly the bike should start!
I knew the fobs did that, but not the card.
The only thing I know is if the KiPass gets stuck hammer at 9 o'clock position
Why don't you just use the ignition key to do all this ??? No need to use the key in your FOB.
Deon
Quote from: Deon on July 12, 2012, 06:08:13 AM
Why don't you just use the ignition key to do all this ??? No need to use the key in your FOB
- you are right , and that was how my dealer showed me during delivery.
- but would rather not upset the key-barrel/key-knob by removing the knob repeatedly for fuel/panniers. There have been some owners who reported issues with their KiPass operating due to a bent key on the knob. You'll appreciate that the large knob allows much more force to be exerted onto the relatively small key portion.
- anyhow , just got a spare key cut and for my upcoming long ride , will just tie the key to my glove for easy use.
cheers.
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nb : and I actually checked the manual and confirmed that BOTH the primary fob and also the spare (emergency) fob can be held to the key barrel to enable the bike to start.
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Good move Pistole.
Repeated removal is what I blamed for the failure of my system. The ignition barrel got 'grit' in and it failed. Common issue. I had a spare blank cut and used to just keep it in the ash-tray for tank/pannier locks
I love all this banter - the cooker knob - hilarious - makes my lunch hour so much fun!
Anyhow I'm defo getting another key cut - I'll put that on a lanyard with my ICE (in case of emergency) thingy, house key, disc lock key and st christopher :smiley:
Quote from: tommytool on July 12, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
................I'm defo getting another key cut - I'll put that on a lanyard with my ICE (in case of emergency) thingy, house key, disc lock key and st christopher :smiley:
Ah, so that's what the 'T' stands for
Looking good tommy.....
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r183/Hoody_photo/mr-t1.jpg)
Sure you can find space.............
Ha Ha!
I am just a miserable fool! Worthy of a good response but had to get some "ride time" before I go back to work. Out with mate on his K1300GT - what a great combo! I've got job of planning route for next years euro adventure. This must take us to Austria, Switzerland into Italy and across to France to do the Millau bridge. Stitching some of best biking roads (Europe) together but if anyone has a "must do" route which fits then let me know.
I may have to change my forum name - the image fits !
I've made a spare outta the passive fob, and it's real darn easy job for any auto keys shop, our keys comes with a RFID chip, that works the same way as a Honda hiss system, so got it duplicated and I asked for the chip to be implanted in a Honda hiss key, and it works like a charm till I threw the active fob aside and tap, turn, start, go :clap: :clap:
Hi all,
I know this is an old posting but how do I go about getting a spare transponder? I have just the one fob which came with the bike (bought second hand) so no 'card' or other fob master....
Quote from: PCPeteUK on July 17, 2013, 05:17:37 PM
Hi all,
I know this is an old posting but how do I go about getting a spare transponder? I have just the one fob which came with the bike (bought second hand) so no 'card' or other fob master....
You can get one from here but you will still need it programming at a dealer..
http://www.auto-eptech.com/products/363/1349.html
OR you could get one from a dealer and pay a fortune.. Don't know if the dealer cost includes the programming
Thanks Deb's. Apparently the 2011 only comes with the one transponder. I spoke with Portman Motorcycles in Guildford and they can provide and program for £240.52 inc vat - pity I don't have that amount of spare cash 1 week short of my Europe tour.
I will have to be VERY careful with the fob......
Npw I don't know if this is true but according to posts on the German GTR forum, where one of the members lost his fob recently, the ECU will only be able to recognize 2 fobs at any time.
Since the card thingy is your emergency fob this would mean that if you have another fob programmed to be recognized by the ECU one of the original fobs won't work any more.
If that is true you spent a lot of money and still have only 2 fobs.
Some of the guys with pre 2010 models reported that since they only used one of the fobs when the battery failed the battery in the second one was usually empty too. One guy even claimed that his second fob had to be reprogrammed because it had been sitting in a drawer with a flat battery too long.
So save your money and just put the card thingy into your wallet or somewhere else safe.
That way you can always start your bike even if you loose the fob.
BTW they also said that if you loose both you will also need a new ECU because they will need one registered fob to be able to reprogram the ECU.
Hi Mecki,
I read on another forum (sacrilege I know).....
As long as (1) of the two original FOBs is registered as present by the Smart ECU, an additional (5) unregistered FOB transponders can be registered with the Smart ECU as valid SPARES for your bike. Once an unregistered FOB has been registered by someones bikes Smart ECU it will only be good for that specific bike. As you approach the bike with the valid newly registered FOB, the ECU recognizes it and it then becomes the MASTER allowing you full access to the motorcycle. In fact each time you start the bike with a different FOB it registers that valid SPARE (secondary) as the MASTER (primary).
This is all from Kawasaki 2007 Service Update pages 184-204.
....and I don't have the card thingy as it didn't come with the bike (I bought secondhand).
I will have to be very careful while travelling and NOT lose the one I have :)
I got the 1 FOB and the "card" type FOB with my bike when I bought it new. I then bought a spare FOB ( not the card type ) and had it programmed by the dealer.
All 3 of them work on the bike without any problems. I know this because I use both "MAIN" FOBS so that one of them do not lie in a drawer all the time without being used.
So, I don't know about Germany, but my bike certainly recognizes more than 2 FOBS.
Deon
- if you make it a habit to carry both the transmitter FOB and also the key-card when you go touring (but of course kept in separate locations , eg , fob in your pants and key-card in your jacket) , it would be pretty inconceivable for the bike to be rendered immobile due to loss of one or the other.
- losing both is probably not gonna happen.
- therefore , maybe having a spare FOB made is not really necessary.
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