mate just sent me this clip. this guy on a gtr1400 lost the back end, then tried to correct it, but to no avail! the clip is quite long so may want to fast forward to 26.40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6olw5NXGns&feature=related
What a bizarre bit of video. After the crash his mate does bugger all to help him. Nice and steady, I'll put my gloves over here where they will be safe, then I'll go and have a chat with the locals, never once did he rush over to check on his buddy.
Not too sure what caused that but it looked pretty nasty. He just seeemed to lose his focus immediately before he lost control, and then it was all over. Do you think his front wheel twitched on the painted centre white line and then he panicked and braked hard causing the back to snake, only guessing but it could be a possibility.
Looks like he tries to lean it over too much in the first instance and has his arse hanging off the seat when there is no need ... it's as if he is trying a bit of "hanging off the bike" to look good on a bend that doesn't require it, tips it upright but overdoes it and starts the wobble from which there is no return ... nice video quality though !
Quote from: Lord Rusty on November 14, 2011, 08:57:44 AM
Looks like he tries to lean it over too much in the first instance and has his arse hanging off the seat when there is no need ... it's as if he is trying a bit of "hanging off the bike" to look good on a bend that doesn't require it, tips it upright but overdoes it and starts the wobble from which there is no return ... nice video quality though !
That's probably what the State Trooper said before he wrote the rider a citation.
fast forward to 26.09 did you noticed the tractor with a trailer coming the other way! if the tractor was 36 seconds slower, the gtr would have hit it head on ???
Looks like it happened in Mexico and the locals are already pilfering the boots. :o
I've seen this before and am sure I read something about them just going too fast for the corners and there also being some discussion about whether traction control would have helped him or not, seeing as it's a pre traction control model.
Quote from: Lonewolf on November 14, 2011, 12:46:03 AM
What a bizarre bit of video. After the crash his mate does bugger all to help him. Nice and steady, I'll put my gloves over here where they will be safe, then I'll go and have a chat with the locals, never once did he rush over to check on his buddy.
Not too sure what caused that but it looked pretty nasty. He just seeemed to lose his focus immediately before he lost control, and then it was all over. Do you think his front wheel twitched on the painted centre white line and then he panicked and braked hard causing the back to snake, only guessing but it could be a possibility.
he's seems more interested in taking pics and clips on his mobile, and how good his helmet cam works. at the very end of the clip. he takes his helmet off, put's it on his bike and films him self :o
Quote from: mecki on November 14, 2011, 11:51:01 AM
Looks like it happened in Mexico and the locals are already pilfering the boots. :o
chile to be precise ;)
Wherever it is there is a phrase that comes to mind .... " That'll learn 'im " !
Quote from: Lord Rusty on November 14, 2011, 12:41:31 PM
Wherever it is there is a phrase that comes to mind .... " That'll learn 'im " !
that was the first time l'd seen this clip, so don't know the final outcome? let's hope he had the chance to learn by his costly mistake. suppose it easy to get carried away in the moment! he also new his mate was filming him riding, this most likely contributed to him pushing his limits! am older and wiser now, and refuse to be put under any pressure while am riding. infact I do prefer to ride on my own or riders I know that like riding there's bikes not racing them! suppose that was one of the reasons I got rid of the zx636. I found when I was out on that, I seem to sprout horns. it was light, and the handeling was precise and I seemed to want to race it around all the time! so thought "law of averages" don't know why I felt this way on the zx636. the zzr1400 is a dam site faster and also as precise handeling, but for some reason I tend to take it alot easier when riding it. been told this is a aged thing :(
Now thats dead weird ???.... i've looked at the clip a few times and they don't appear to be going that fast... i agree that it does look as if he lost concentraion and clipped a pot hole.
As far as being leaned over, I've had mine over much further than that, you can easily get ya knee down on teh GTR cos the seat is fairly low if you were wanting to... yes i know it's a touring bike but i had to find out how far it would lean.
If one learns anything from this its..... pay attention to the road in front of you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W6olw5NXGns#t=1045s
the above clip shows the b.m.w 1200gs speedo at approx 110 m.p.h or 180 km/h as the gtr1400 pulls away and soon becomes a dot in the distance. so he may not have been going to fast at the time of the crash but just before hand he was not hanging around either! this why I suggested he may have been "caught up in the moment" also seems to be opening the gtr1400 up as soon as he see's the road opening up, this I asume is for the benefit of the video. just before the crash happend, the road appears to be opening up, it looks like he had the intentions of putting as much distance as possible between him and his mate. he may have been a bit heavy on the throttle to soon, or a patch of oil or diesel may have caused the wheel to loose grip. either way! do you think the traction control on the newer model may have prevented this.
Basically the road surface wasn't good enough for the lean / speed / throttle etc he was doing, which caused the initial slide / wobble. I'd hazard a guess that the road surface was damaged and was either loose on top, or had some kind of surface defect.
I've no idea if traction control would have helped such a situation. My feeling (and it's just a feeling), is that it possibly wouldn't. I guess it depends upon whether the back wheel actually spun up at all before it slipped sideways, or did it just lose sideways traction (where the traction control presumably doesn't help)? Even if it did spin up a bit first, would the traction control kick in fast enough and make enough of a difference to prevent the sideways slide, and / or help with his recovery afterwards?
Secondly, would it of helped on the dirt where he actually fell off / lost the bike? Again, presumably it was the sideways movement of the back wheel that ulitmately caused the accident?
Here's some t*ss*r on a GTR in another Spainish speaking county last month not crashing :) http://youtu.be/6WHlGodXkTw (http://youtu.be/6WHlGodXkTw)
Having just watched this for the first time i have to say that the standard of riding by the GTR rider wasn't very good. Totally un-smooth through the bends, hanging off the bike, wrong positions on bends and obviously too fast for his capabilities. surprised that the camera bike followed him into the cloud of dust on the wrong side of the road also.....
we all need to take more care, and if need be training ::)
Yep, I've been riding bikes since I was 17, so 30 yrs but I'm putting myself through advanced training and loving it. :)
My opinion for what it's worth is, no i dont think his riding was brilliant but I dont think it was shocking either. There seemed to be a lot of road on his near side that if used would have made it far easier for him on left handers which would have saved him having to crank the thing over as far, (although I dont think his lean angles were excessive). Those wondering about what impact traction control may have had!!!!! well we can only guess, and my guess is no it would'nt have made any change to the outcome, I know from my own bike that traction control does help, but I think you need to be something like upright for it to assist you. lets hope the bloke got away with it as regards personal injury is concerned, and he probably did has he didnt seem to hit anything apart from the earths crust. But he was an extreemly lucky lad, as on another day he could have gone off road on his near side and hit one of those telegraph poles, or hit something coming the other way once he had crossed over. Whilst watching the clip over again I think the actual road surface actually did for him more than anything else, when the bike "let go " there seemed to be a cloud of what looked like dust puff up. Any way whatever the outcome lets hope lessons were learned. As for his mate !!!!!! words fail me.
Quote from: GTRTONY on November 27, 2011, 02:26:34 PM
Having just watched this for the first time i have to say that the standard of riding by the GTR rider wasn't very good. Totally un-smooth through the bends, hanging off the bike, wrong positions on bends and obviously too fast for his capabilities. surprised that the camera bike followed him into the cloud of dust on the wrong side of the road also.....
we all need to take more care, and if need be training ::)
I agree, looks like he learnt to ride by reading the Owners Manual :( Talking about training I just did some with http://www.ridewellteesvalley.co.uk/ (http://www.ridewellteesvalley.co.uk/) and passed my RoSPA Gold ;D
WELL DONE LONEWOLF
I am a senior observer with the IAM and have to say, taking training and passing my advanced test back in 2004 was the best biking decision I ever made!all to often do we see bikers who can clearly ride and have been for many years but are sometimes unable to keep up on the 'twistes' at the NSL! the soon catch you up on the straights but are soon lost again when you get a series of bends. any how in my opinion training further to improve does no one any harm!
Tony
I really need to get on and do some advanced training / qualification thingy. I keep talking about it and never get round to it. Next year... next year...
Quote from: cpettifer on November 28, 2011, 05:33:40 PM
I really need to get on and do some advanced training / qualification thingy. I keep talking about it and never get round to it. Next year... next year...
Thats exactly what I have thought for ages. I always thought what's the point? I'm doing the ROSPA at the moment and although I've had some good feedback I'm still learning and improving my technique. I didnt know how it worked before or what was involved but it costs me on average £5 per lesson to replace the guys fuel. Thats it. It just makes perfect sense to do it.
Quote from: cpettifer on November 28, 2011, 05:33:40 PM
I really need to get on and do some advanced training / qualification thingy. I keep talking about it and never get round to it. Next year... next year...
I cannot speak highly enough of advanced training. I passed my IAM test 2 years ago, and the whole observation and training part in the run up was a real eye opener.
It has given me a new dimension to my enjoyment on the bike - when I predict someone is going to do something stupid, it gives me huge pleasure to inwardly smile when the muppetry actually happens rather than getting irate, or hurt.
For anyone even vaguely considering the advanced training, do it. Seriously. You will never look back.
Go in with an open mind, accept that we can all still learn something, and tolerate the fact that the observers and obstructors cannot be seen to advocate speeding, and it is a real pleasurable experience.
Martin.
Well done to you all ... any training, even after years of riding has to be good not just for you but all other road users ! Keep it up, keep spreading the good news and the good ideas as this can only help road safety and bring down road deaths and casualties ... we are all human and so all make mistakes but we must strive to reduce those risks especially when everyone else is out on the roads too : ;D
RoSPA recently held its first awards events for its voluntary driver and rider training groups at its Birmingham HQ.
My Group, Shropshire & Powys Advanced Riders www.saparweb.com (http://www.saparweb.com) was awarded 3rd place out of 52 groups nationally and we picked up a cheque for £250 for our funds.
It's very welcome that such groups have at long last been recognised by Rospa at its highest (Chief exec) level. We were specifically commended for our links with outside agencies, notably with Powys County Council where we run their "Ride On" biker assesment / training days and after 3 trial events in 2011 we have been engaged to run these days in 2012.
Without starting an IAM v's Rospa debate I will simply agree totally with Rusty's comment
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I could probably find out, but I'm ill, so being lazy! How do I find my local RoSPA group? From what I've heard, I think I prefer the slight difference in approach.
I live in Worcester.
Maybe the bike was still on its original tyres? They dont inspire confidence. Rubbish tyres/ riding lines...a recipe for disaster. :-[
Read the tyre link before so I know there are some out there who like them so I apologise in advance. :)
Quote from: cpettifer on December 05, 2011, 02:30:13 PM
I could probably find out, but I'm ill, so being lazy! How do I find my local RoSPA group? From what I've heard, I think I prefer the slight difference in approach.
I live in Worcester.
If you just do a Google search for Rospa it will locate many links. Have a look and you will see a link on Rospa's official site for "Find your local group" simples. ;D
I still think the guy made the worst mistake possible - he panicked!
That must be the most common cause for riders to come off in situations like that.
If you panic in a life-threatening situation you're chances of survival decrease dramatically. :(
Quote from: cpettifer on December 05, 2011, 02:30:13 PM
I could probably find out, but I'm ill, so being lazy! How do I find my local RoSPA group? From what I've heard, I think I prefer the slight difference in approach.
I live in Worcester.
This may help
http://www.roadar.org.uk/groups/westmidlands/index.htm (http://www.roadar.org.uk/groups/westmidlands/index.htm)
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just had another look at the clip to try and make some sense of it. he was defo riding for the camara and not concentrating on his line's. I noticed at approx 26.35 "just before the crash" in-effect he "fifty pence" his way round the two left hander's, he enterd the first left hander to sharp. then the road straightened out abit, where he had no choice but to lessen the lean to compenstate. which caused him to run straite, he then had no time to loose the speed and due to the wrong line he was forced to take for the second left hander caused him to lean the bike more than he would have needed to do if he had got his line and speed correct. he may have even got away with it, but the exact moment his rear wheel lost grip it appear's the road service was very poor, look's like there was loose gravel or the road service was damaged or some sought of dark patch that caused his rear wheel to slip, anyway that's best I can come up with. just hope the guy was not seriously hurt, am sure if he still riding he won't make the same mistake again.