while we're talking Europe.........................

[O.C.]

and if there is an out vote, I wonder how long it would take to implement that decision 

[iamkwackers]

and if there is an out vote, I wonder how long it would take to implement that decision 

It will take a couple of years to get everything in place. Trading will still carry on,they sell more to us than us to them. The EU is in major decline economically and in my view will implode anyway in the not too distant future, if the EU superstate is not put in place beforehand. The drive is definitely for ever closer union and the eventual formation of a Federal Europe, with it's own Army and centralised parliament, which will rule supreme over all member states. The main protagonists in this cannot allow us to renegotiate new terms as this would thwart their ambitions, plus there would be more countries wanting new terms. Our 8,5 million pounds per day nett contribution, along with Germany's contributions is all that is keeping the EU afloat financially, so of course they do not want us leaving the club. It was interesting to hear the Finance Minister from Greece state that if the UK left the EU, he did not think there would be an economic problem for thje UK, he wants us to stay in the EU to try and help Greece to get the rules changed in order to stop the further Federalisation of Europe. He also felt that without change the EU Economic situation wll further decline to possibly a point of self implosion.

So if we vote out ( and I feel now is the time to do that, before we get dragged down by the failing EU policies) We face a couple of years of renegotiations that would unshackle us from the undemocratic rulings and Federal tendencies of the EU. Financially we will be better off ( we will not be paying 350 million a day to the EU coffers), we can ease the pressure on our infrastructure ( Housing, Hospitals, Schools, the NHS) and create trade deals with the commonwealth countries and the rest of the world without the hinderance of the EU bureacrats.
America will trade with whoever gives them the best deal....currently China....forget the special relationship, it is only there when it suits America.

Two years of hard work to get our country back......seems a good deal to me and for my children and their children....

[O.C.]

Thank you for that excellent explanation.

I have, for some time, felt the the U.K is such a powerful force within the EU and would be very much missed if we were to opt out, for example the fact that London is a massive worldwide financial centre does in itself demonstrate that other EU countries are heavily dependent on London and its financial centre.

Inevitably and 'out' vote would be beneficial to some and painful to others, in other words it's simply not possible to please all the people all the time.

I too believe that the EU has become unwieldy, extremely costly and increasingly inefficient, it's only a matter of time before it 'disappears up its own backside'

Personally I have delayed my decision regarding in or out for some time, the constant and increasing peddling of lies and exaggeration by both sides has made it difficult to decipher  the facts from the fiction, I have recently decided that the best option is to vote OUT 

[iamkwackers]

    

[Biggestdog007]

Its a definite OUT vote for me, i must say that i am particularly embarrassed with some of the tripe the remain campaign have come out with, especially Cameron.

[PRD]

But how will it effect tumble dryers?

[Charlie farley]

But how will it effect tumble dryers?

That is a very important point and one that needs an answer , to whom should I instruct  piggy to send an urgent missive . 
Is there a minister for laundry orientated white goods ?

[moayling]

It will take a couple of years to get everything in place. Trading will still carry on,they sell more to us than us to them. The EU is in major decline economically and in my view will implode anyway in the not too distant future, if the EU superstate is not put in place beforehand. The drive is definitely for ever closer union and the eventual formation of a Federal Europe, with it's own Army and centralised parliament, which will rule supreme over all member states. The main protagonists in this cannot allow us to renegotiate new terms as this would thwart their ambitions, plus there would be more countries wanting new terms. Our 8,5 million pounds per day nett contribution, along with Germany's contributions is all that is keeping the EU afloat financially, so of course they do not want us leaving the club. It was interesting to hear the Finance Minister from Greece state that if the UK left the EU, he did not think there would be an economic problem for thje UK, he wants us to stay in the EU to try and help Greece to get the rules changed in order to stop the further Federalisation of Europe. He also felt that without change the EU Economic situation wll further decline to possibly a point of self implosion.

So if we vote out ( and I feel now is the time to do that, before we get dragged down by the failing EU policies) We face a couple of years of renegotiations that would unshackle us from the undemocratic rulings and Federal tendencies of the EU. Financially we will be better off ( we will not be paying 350 million a day to the EU coffers), we can ease the pressure on our infrastructure ( Housing, Hospitals, Schools, the NHS) and create trade deals with the commonwealth countries and the rest of the world without the hinderance of the EU bureacrats.
America will trade with whoever gives them the best deal....currently China....forget the special relationship, it is only there when it suits America.

Two years of hard work to get our country back......seems a good deal to me and for my children and their children....

Blimey Syd, You've turned all sensible since buying the GTR. Not used to this.

[iamkwackers]

Blimey Syd, You've turned all sensible since buying the GTR. Not used to this.

Sorry Mo, just off to get my silly stupid head back on    

[Debs]

https://youtu.be/UTMxfAkxfQ0

[PRD]

https://youtu.be/UTMxfAkxfQ0

propaganda!

[GTRpilot]

When the plane is on fire and struggling to maintain altitude, it's time to bail....OUT!
But the decision probably won't affect us, it's our kids / children that it will probably affect the most, perhaps we should consult them as to which way they want to go, and vote accordingly 

Still OUT for me though 

[SirToU]

Sorry, there are arguments for both ways.  but I haven't seen anything that would advise me to vote in...

too many shall and shan't do's coming out of Brussels for me.

So I'll be voting out.... 

Neil

[virginiajim]

Well, if the vote is for out, how would that affect your PM?  Would be a sure lack of confidence from the people wouldn't it?

[O.C.]

Well, if the vote is for out, how would that affect your PM?  Would be a sure lack of confidence from the people wouldn't it?

in a words ....yes.