while we're talking Europe.........................

[BigAlan]

in a words ....yes.

What's more our prime minister is my MP.

Alan

[iamkwackers]

What's more our prime minister is my MP.

Alan

tough luck...  

[snowy]

Some good stuff in here......................

There appears to be a lot of misunderstanding about how our votes on June 23rd will impact upon our lives and the way the UK functions in general and people want to gather as much information as possible. Here are some clear facts if you are contemplating casting your vote in hope of us leaving the EU.
You would not be voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.

You would not be voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.

You would not be voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.
You would not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).

You would not be voting to stop the recognition of Interpol, Europol and neither would you be voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.
You would not be voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You would still use a passport to go on holiday and you would still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).

The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year if we leave.
Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.

Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.

You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.

You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.

You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!

What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive!

Think about the future, and your family's future. Spread the word. Feel free to share.

[moayling]

 

[Phill_York]

Wise words 

[O.C.]

Excellent and that dispels all the myth that is being spread by those who want to stay in the EU because it benefits them to do so....I'm thinking National and international banking organisations, and we have all experienced how patriotic they have been in the past ! 

[Winston Smith]

Both In and Out can put up similar arguments for and against.

Even Cameron and Farage on the EU debate program blurred over one anothers lines!

We should NOT be having this referendum - end of.

It is only because we have weak leadership of the country that it is occurring. We vote for the government, and they should make these decisions as they have access to the true experts and all the facts surrounding the UK and it's membership.

All I would say is that voting Out means we're running from the issues and will have no say in European decisions that may effect us

[PRD]

Both In and Out can put up similar arguments for and against.

Even Cameron and Farage on the EU debate program blurred over one anothers lines!

We should NOT be having this referendum - end of.

It is only because we have weak leadership of the country that it is occurring. We vote for the government, and they should make these decisions as they have access to the true experts and all the facts surrounding the UK and it's membership.i agree.

All I would say is that voting Out means we're running from the issues and will have no say in European decisions that may effect us

[PRD]

I agree with winston. We should stay in.

[Rusty]

Sorry I am so late to this thread .... Its very simple ... go and make yourself a cup of tea or coffee ... get onto You Tube and watch "Brexit The Movie" .. 1hr and 10 minutes of your time.

[SirToU]

I don't agree that we shouldn't be voting - Just on the basis we don't have the right experts.

research the information and make yourself an expert!   also, what happened to elections and choice.

whether you like the current establishment or not - "the royal we"  choose this government.... as the "the royal we" should choose to vote on Europe.

Thats the way it should work (and yes to a certain extent it doesn't) but thats the how this country supposedly works - if you don't want to that life - China, Russia + others are only a flight away!  :-)

Neil

[Longtom]

Sorry I am so late to this thread .... Its very simple ... go and make yourself a cup of tea or coffee ... get onto You Tube and watch "Brexit The Movie" .. 1hr and 10 minutes of your time.

:agree:An excellent suggestion.

[PRD]

But can you believe the film makers!!

[iamkwackers]

But can you believe the film makers!!

Do your own research, but always ask yourself at the end of the research sessions.....Do I want to belong to a club that is failing economically, that wants to initiate a federal european state, with a federal army, do I want uncontrolled immigration/migration, do I want a country that cannot keep up with infrastructure demands, do I want our laws superceded by an unelected commission.........or

Do I want to live in a country that has democratic rule, sovereignty over its own laws and borders, that is free to trade world wide and spend the benefits of that trade on improved infrastructure, sensible agricultural policies, reclaim our fishing industry, control immigration to sensible levels.

Surely, Control of your own destiny has to be the right choice........

Oh yes, do you really think that BMW would stop trading with us if we left !!!....of course not, where else are they going to find so many suckers for punishment    

[Phill_York]

I'm still in the middle but swinging towards Brexit for a number of reasons but mainly around wanting a stable economy and not being able to control how many people come into your country will not give us stability.  I am glad we're having a referendum as leaving the vote to the establishment is asking Turkeys to vote for Christmas.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone but when we're out of the EU and operating under WTO rules, Japanese (ie properly designed and reliable) motorcycles will be the same price or cheaper and EU manufactured machines (ie unreliable, already overpriced) will get more expensive; if that doesn't change your mind, nothing will