while we're talking Europe.........................

[snowy]

Why are we being fed the same untruths from both sides, the leave and stay camps?   
I'm really split, head and heart sort of thing.   
See on the ADV forum theres a sorta poll going on, can we do the same?
No essays on history - just bullet points to help guide a confused and undecided motorcyclist!   
Heart says get out before we loose anything that's left in the leaking bucket of this once "Great Britain"!

[PRD]

Stay in.

[O.C.]

ooooo...politics, religion and forums generally don't mix well at all.   

OUT

[stoketim]

shake it all about

[virginiajim]

I'm for out (you do see the flag I fly)  not that my opinion matters here.  The US wouldn't stand for it.....I think.....if it were going to happen to US.  Present administration excepted...

[Boomer]

I'm for staying in.
You don't get a divorce when your marriage is having problems.
You discuss it and identify the problems and compromise to reach an agreement.

So many of the out campaigners keep banging on about the problems the EU has.
Well, if you see a problem, why not try and fix it rather than preaching about running away?

I agree that it's time for a big change in the EU.
I disagree that change should be for the UK to leave.

[shaggs147]

Out for me..... nothing to do with immigration etc, just the fact that  it seems to become over bloated with rules and regulations and probably costing a fortune paying people to sit on their arse in the euro parliament. All for a closer Europe, but don't see the need to pay the amount we do in. Keep it simple with free trade agreements.

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[viper]

Turkeys possible and eventual entry into europe will be a big decider for me .

[BigAlan]

Has to be out for me, simply fed up of Brussels interfering into what I think should be our affairs, forget immigration etc but for some unelected outfit to get in excess of £350m per day from us I think is not good value for money.

Out out out.

[iamkwackers]

Out for me. For more reasons than I really want to think about...yeah definitely out.

[Debs]

OUT

[beegee]

Hope that if you decide what to do, you had some objective information...
From central europe here, Flanders, we know already that we have lost a bit of making our 'own' decisions...
The bigger you are , the more difficult it is for doing all things very well for everybody...
Guess we need an union that make global decisions, but leave some power too to the countries also... Kind of usa and their states ...
But on the other hand, on the continent, we see also more the advantages in daily use...
When going abroad, what is very close everywhere here, no borders, no limited buys, feel free , not always have to think to change money and pay a lot of bankmargins and costs on that, not need for extra administration, passports, visa etc...  Also for business to export and bring goods abroad... What documents we once needed to send things abroad...
We , born in the 60s, know bout old times,  but the teenagers and young adults dont know  bout that world and cant imagine european world should be parted again in little pieces...

But i understand that since you already have a great and big country with a really nice history too, and cause of being in an isle , you sometimes feel less the need to be united in some way...
For strangers you will always stay a big country that has much power, even in europe, ...

Anyway, i have understood that you already have make your statement by the PM that you will always have a special treatment to keep your own identity within europe .
Good luck and we will always stay your friends anyway 👍😎

[PRD]

On reflection I think we should leave politics out of the forum.

[virginiajim]

We do on the boards (C14) that I directly manage on the US forum, but we do have boards where that's allowed as long as it stays civil.  If not they get moved to an undisclosed location...  This General Discussion board here is where I think it should be but that's up to the powers that be.  Our discussions usually get quite heated and then off they go.

[iamkwackers]

We do on the boards (C14) that I directly manage on the US forum, but we do have boards where that's allowed as long as it stays civil.  If not they get moved to an undisclosed location...  This General Discussion board here is where I think it should be but that's up to the powers that be.  Our discussions usually get quite heated and then off they go.

, politics and religion can cause some heated arguments, and in general I do not like to see them on a biking forum, however, I think this referendum is a pretty unique moment for the UK, I was born in the 40's so remember the last world war and the times from that war to how we rebuilt our country. Times were hard for many years, but we survived. I just hate the project fear arguments that are being used on both sides, but primarily on the in campaign side. The only answer is do your own research, the facts are there.....on my research I am definitely in the OUT camp.
Always happy to discuss over a coffee