Blue running lights

[Gonome]

I fitted blue LED bulbs in my middle running lights at the weekend and right on cue was stopped by a traffic policeman today. He was very pleasant, but left me in no doubt that if I did not change them back to white bulbs the next time he sees me he will issue a ticket. Now I have understood by following several threads on here that they are perfectly legal and do not cause anyone else problems either with the police or during MOT's. My question to all you black rats and barrack room lawers is did he have a legal arguement or was he just irritated because he felt I was impersonating a police officer, which I definitely was not? We have all seen instances of those that do and any additions to my bike are only in the interest of being more visable and therefore, hopefully safer. All in all it was not a big problem as we had a good chat and being a biker himself he was very interested in the GTR, but I still have a niggling suspicion that he was on dodgy ground from a legal perspective.

[Winston Smith]

Regulation 3 & 16 Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989

Only emergency vehicles may be fitted with blue lights.

Includes those that are masked over and not wired.

(Reg 16) No vehicle other than emergency vehicle shall be fitted with:

A blue warning beacon or special warning lamp or a device that resembles either, whether working or not.

Basically Reg 3 states you can't fit blue lights.  Reg 16 that you can't fit anything resembling them by colour, whether working or not.

The cop was correct and the urban myths have come about as a result of the 'Max Power' generation wanting to interpret legislation to suit custom vehicles.

Winston (ex Black-Rat)

[Gonome]

Right then, thanks Winston. Off they come tonight.

[Debs]

OH poo... That means I will have to replace my blue side lights 

What about headlights that look blue from a distance? We've all seen them on cars when they go over a bump and it flickers blue?

[keith]

 i had a zzr 1100 a few years ago that failed its mot for having a blue sidelight bulb.

[Gonome]

So a new question. If I buy blue LED "Bullet" lights and install them under the mirrors is that legal? BTW changed back to the original white lights so completely legal again.

[Lonewolf]

As per Winstons earlier reply, the fitting of blue lights is an offence. 

[2kwacks]

wonder how the factory fitted option/standard blue "HID (high intensity discharge)" lights fitted on cars get away with it

[Rusty]

They are of course all spot on .. no blue lights unless you are in or on a job motor ... white lights to the front and red lights to the rear. End Of ! 

[2kwacks]

They are of course all spot on .. no blue lights unless you are in or on a job motor ... white lights to the front and red lights to the rear. End Of ! 

but car manufacturers do fit them as standard or as a optional extra so would you have a explanation for this total lack of respect for the law..

[Debs]

wonder how the factory fitted option/standard blue "HID (high intensity discharge)" lights fitted on cars get away with it

The latest directive from VOSA includes their view that unless strict criteria are met, after-market HID kits may not be legal.

There is some confusion regarding the change in legislation towards HID kits. Although we are still trying to determine the full details here is some text that may help! Many thanks to the MX3 Forum guys who bought it to my attention

Here is the relevant text -

"In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above."

If you are found to be using lights which don't comply, in all likelihood, you may be reported to the Procurator Fiscal and may end up with a fine.

The above seems to be a precursor to the new MOT criteria slated to come into existance on New Years Eve 2011 (for 2012), this is from the MOT Testers VOSA bullitin explaining the new EU MOT regulations which were ratified this year, and includes amongst other things, the testing of wiring harnesses, the testing for illegal HID kits and, wait for it, chipped ECU's, whatever that means The article is quite long, but here is a small extract .....

"As far as changes to the test content are concerned, VOSA has already been analysing the requirements of the new Directive and working out how to implement them. We started this earlier in the year by talking with representatives of the MOT trade at our regular Trade User Group and VTS Council meetings. Both VOSA and the Department for Transport (DfT) are keen to ensure that any changes to the test are introduced in as practical a way as possible, keeping the burden on the trade to a minimum and ideally keeping the changes cost neutral.

In many cases, the changes shouldn't necessarily lead to an increase in average test times. A good example is the malfunction indicator lamps on the dashboard that indicate defective electronic power steering, electronic stability control and secondary restraint systems. Testers already check the dashboard for other lamps, so no extra time would be required for this addition to the test.

Electrical wiring and batteries are now included in the test's scope, but testers already check the vehicle structure where wiring is secured – often along the same routes as other testable items, such as brake pipes in the engine compartment. So again, this doesn't look like an additional burden on the tester. In the pre-computerisation days, testers often (wrongly) failed vehicles for insecure batteries, so they must have been looking at them then! Now, it means that when we implement the new Directive, vehicles can legitimately fail for battery insecurity, for no extra tester effort.Other items – such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine 'chipping' – will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOT stations."

[viper]

i did a job for a policeman who had blue spot lights fitted to the front bar of his landrover defender , his own vehicle. he told me that they were legal , im so confused on this matter, i see blue lights in some shape or form on a daily basis. Also what about blue strip lights that people fit under their fairings and mudguards ect. which shine down onto the road surface

[2kwacks]

The latest directive from VOSA includes their view that unless strict criteria are met, after-market HID kits may not be legal.

There is some confusion regarding the change in legislation towards HID kits. Although we are still trying to determine the full details here is some text that may help! Many thanks to the MX3 Forum guys who bought it to my attention

Here is the relevant text -

"In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above."

If you are found to be using lights which don't comply, in all likelihood, you may be reported to the Procurator Fiscal and may end up with a fine.

The above seems to be a precursor to the new MOT criteria slated to come into existance on New Years Eve 2011 (for 2012), this is from the MOT Testers VOSA bullitin explaining the new EU MOT regulations which were ratified this year, and includes amongst other things, the testing of wiring harnesses, the testing for illegal HID kits and, wait for it, chipped ECU's, whatever that means The article is quite long, but here is a small extract .....

"As far as changes to the test content are concerned, VOSA has already been analysing the requirements of the new Directive and working out how to implement them. We started this earlier in the year by talking with representatives of the MOT trade at our regular Trade User Group and VTS Council meetings. Both VOSA and the Department for Transport (DfT) are keen to ensure that any changes to the test are introduced in as practical a way as possible, keeping the burden on the trade to a minimum and ideally keeping the changes cost neutral.

In many cases, the changes shouldn't necessarily lead to an increase in average test times. A good example is the malfunction indicator lamps on the dashboard that indicate defective electronic power steering, electronic stability control and secondary restraint systems. Testers already check the dashboard for other lamps, so no extra time would be required for this addition to the test.

Electrical wiring and batteries are now included in the test's scope, but testers already check the vehicle structure where wiring is secured – often along the same routes as other testable items, such as brake pipes in the engine compartment. So again, this doesn't look like an additional burden on the tester. In the pre-computerisation days, testers often (wrongly) failed vehicles for insecure batteries, so they must have been looking at them then! Now, it means that when we implement the new Directive, vehicles can legitimately fail for battery insecurity, for no extra tester effort.Other items – such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine 'chipping' – will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOT stations."

well I did asked

[Debs]

well I did asked

Ive just fitted a set of HID Lights.. Not going to change them but I will change my blue side light bulbs back to white 

[viper]

I fitted blue LED bulbs in my middle running lights at the weekend and right on cue was stopped by a traffic policeman today. He was very pleasant, but left me in no doubt that if I did not change them back to white bulbs the next time he sees me he will issue a ticket. Now I have understood by following several threads on here that they are perfectly legal and do not cause anyone else problems either with the police or during MOT's. My question to all you black rats and barrack room lawers is did he have a legal arguement or was he just irritated because he felt I was impersonating a police officer, which I definitely was not? We have all seen instances of those that do and any additions to my bike are only in the interest of being more visable and therefore, hopefully safer. All in all it was not a big problem as we had a good chat and being a biker himself he was very interested in the GTR, but I still have a niggling suspicion that he was on dodgy ground from a legal perspective.

do you have anything else on your bike that was a bit policey, such as reflectors or even the polite jacket.

question, why do people want blue lights anyway ??