Well got out today and only just thawed out but well well worth the effort and cold, right the GTR.."wow" loved every minute of my ride but taking into consideration about the type of riding I do and intend to do in the near future anyway and the fact that I still totally love my Versys im keeping her, so its a new set of tyes for spring time, thanks for all the comments and I look forward to meeting up again next year to do some more exploring with Geoff and Tyke in the Yorkshire dales, ride safe guys and merry christmas