Kawasaki 1400 GTR

1400 GTR - All Models => 1400GTR Discussion => Topic started by: Tay on March 23, 2020, 03:23:58 PM

Title: LED H4's lights
Post by: Tay on March 23, 2020, 03:23:58 PM
It's been a while since I posted as I've just been enjoying the bike and riding.   

I've done very few changes to the bike to get it perfect 'for me'  the fitting of some LED headlamps shortly after I bought the bike was one of the bigger changes, OEM's were/are just awful. 

Anyways, first MOT last week and it failed, Akropovic with the baffles removed were just a advisory but the LED"s failed.  I was told at the time that it was due to the fact I had fitted HID's and they were an automatic fail unless the bike came with them (eg: special moving reflectors, able to deal with the extra heat etc).  I explained that I thought they were just replacement LEDs and by that token generated significantly less heat than the original halogens.

They werent having it, I felt that I was close to baffling them with science but that it really wasnt going to go anyway as they would have come up with something else.   I've just put the originals back in and they are dire again.

The MOT rules on Lights seem to go back to 1985 ish, and seem not to take into account factory fitted LED's on the majority of cars out on the road.

Does anybody know if they are going to catch up with the times at some point?  Or had similar issues?

I'm tempted to do the MOT then swap back again, but I've got big hands it its a ball ache to install them, less hassle  to remove but a ball ache nonetheless.
Title: Re: LED H4's lights
Post by: O.C. on March 23, 2020, 04:01:31 PM
Is this my imagination or maybe Déjà vu, hasn't someone else experienced the same scenario recently

BTW you wont blind the MOT inspectors with science  :no:   
Title: Re: LED H4's lights
Post by: Burchy on March 23, 2020, 05:20:20 PM
Gotta say I thought LEDs were ok but HID wasn't
Title: Re: LED H4's lights
Post by: Tay on March 23, 2020, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: O.C. on March 23, 2020, 04:01:31 PM
Is this my imagination or maybe Déjà vu, hasn't someone else experienced the same scenario recently

BTW you wont blind the MOT inspectors with science  :no:   

But it wouldnt stop me from trying if I felt strong enough, as an ex IT consultant I've had many discussion with people regarding IT and their total lack of knowledge of it.  But I did feel it was goign to be somewhat pointless.

After reading the reg's and advice from some bulb manufacturers the arguments they were throwing at me simply didn't apply to the question of legality around the LED's. 

But the bike needs an MOT so swapped out.   

One argument they could have used but didnt seem to want to was the brightness, they are 160w's, thats clearly too bright for headlamp usage and if they were not Kitemarked etc, BUT, the only way they can confirm that is to take them apart, and thats not in their remit.
Title: Re: LED H4's lights
Post by: shaggs147 on March 23, 2020, 09:12:40 PM
Try osram nightbreakers or similar. They seem fine to me for a standard fitting bulb.

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Title: Re: LED H4's lights
Post by: Tay on March 23, 2020, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: shaggs147 on March 23, 2020, 09:12:40 PM
Try osram nightbreakers or similar. They seem fine to me for a standard fitting bulb.

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I'll have a gander thanks.
Title: Re: LED H4's lights
Post by: virginiajim on April 05, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
Personally I liked the standard H4's on the bike.  Some of the best lighting I've ever had on a bike.  Mind you they had to be adjusted to get that lighting as they were aimed straight down at the pavement from the factory....idiots.  Retrofitting other than H4 can be spotty at best depending on how the LEDs are made.  Not all LEDs are made the same and need to be manufactured as close to how the H4s work as possible.