Kawasaki 1400 GTR

1400 GTR - All Models => 1400GTR Discussion => Topic started by: CyrilleGTR on October 25, 2019, 01:45:18 PM

Title: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: CyrilleGTR on October 25, 2019, 01:45:18 PM
First time in 30 years of riding...
Threads on both attachment points on the rear bracket are completely gone and transferred onto the bolt threads!!
Best mate thinks winter riding and salt could cause this...

Has anyone seen this before?
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: O.C. on October 25, 2019, 03:18:51 PM
The only time I have seen something similar was caused by over tightening the bolts into the cast alloy mounting   
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: ray1151 on October 25, 2019, 04:00:42 PM
Yes, someone overtightened them
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: Burchy on October 25, 2019, 04:05:56 PM
Corrosion wouldn't do that.  A hamfisted mechanic would, though.
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: Lonewolf on October 25, 2019, 10:31:10 PM
Yes I had that happen on my GTR to one of the fixing points. I had to have it helicoiled.
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: Robbieben on October 26, 2019, 10:09:04 AM
A not too common fault but a fault that does occur, over tightening is the usual cause. Easily enough to repair with a helicoil, once repaired use a small amount of light oil or grease on the bolt threads and torque them up properly rather than risk over tightening again.
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: CyrilleGTR on October 28, 2019, 10:00:33 AM
That's what I thought but did use torque wrench and locking compound to avoid this and never had a problem before... Going to check my torque wrench is working properly!!!

I have ordered bolts and spare bracket to double check the cast metal not faulty.

Have also helicoil kit so will do this while waiting for new bracket.

Thanks for confirming what I thought... never seen salt doing this... 
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: doebag on October 28, 2019, 11:30:47 AM
The problem with coppasliping [ made up word ] threads is that it changes the friction and makes it very easy to overtighten things even with a torque wrench

There are numerous different thread locks and lubricants from makers like Loctite for different metals and applications.
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: O.C. on October 28, 2019, 02:17:05 PM
Is the use of locking compound recommended for this application ?

You have steel bolts and cast alloy mounting,   
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: doebag on October 28, 2019, 03:07:24 PM
From the manual

Rear Caliper Mounting Bolts 25Nm,  2.5 Kgf-m 18 ft/lb

So not a lot, and no mention of lubricant or thread lock
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: Robbieben on October 29, 2019, 07:51:52 AM
Most bolts have a "Factory" coating that acts as a lubricant during initial assembly, once undone again a couple of drops of oil on the threads gives the ability to apply the correct torque. It's not in manuals but every factory trained technician is taught about the use of oil as a lubricant for assembly. The use of Loctite on Aluminium parts is discouraged due to the risk of pulling threads during dis assembly.
Title: Re: Rear brake issue...glad I spotted it before riding back!!
Post by: CyrilleGTR on October 29, 2019, 09:26:50 AM
Thank you all for the very useful information provided.

Have taken everything on board and will double check all bolts and fixings that might have been affected by applying mild strength thread lock compound and by previous jobs.