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Title: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: pross on February 16, 2019, 08:11:51 AM
It looks like mr Kawasaki has put all the options a GTR needed on this instead of a new 1400   :censored: 


https://www.morebikes.co.uk/56137/world-launch-kawasaki-versys-1000-se-grand-tourer/
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on February 16, 2019, 08:20:39 AM
I think you are right. No need for a gtr in uk with that one available. Shame no shaft drive.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: pross on February 16, 2019, 08:58:23 AM
Quote from: PRD on February 16, 2019, 08:20:39 AM
I think you are right. No need for a gtr in uk with that one available. Shame no shaft drive.

I totally agree just the 1 thing missing shaft drive  :yes:
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Burchy on February 16, 2019, 09:52:37 AM
At £16000 on the road, it SHOULD be very good
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on February 16, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
Quote from: Burchy on February 16, 2019, 09:52:37 AM
At £16000 on the road, it SHOULD be very good
but every thing is included at that price. Some manufacturers make you pay extra for panniers etc.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Lloyd on February 16, 2019, 04:23:04 PM
Sorry  don,t agree the gtr is a much better bike and better finished off ,only thing missing is cruise control which can be added
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on February 16, 2019, 06:15:56 PM
Quote from: Lloyd on February 16, 2019, 04:23:04 PM
Sorry  don,t agree the gtr is a much better bike and better finished off ,only thing missing is cruise control which can be added

    :mfr_lol:      The finish on all the latest Kawasaki products is far better than any of the 4 GTRs that I have owned, additionally, if you check the specification of the Versys1000 GT SE you will see that it is not just about the addition of Cruise Control

Don't get me wrong, the GTR is an outstanding bike however it is now somewhat dated in todays marketplace..... it's  a fact  :yes:   
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Lloyd on February 16, 2019, 08:30:17 PM
I looked in a versys before i had mine they were side by side and im sorry but the overall finish on the versys was not that good ,as to suspension when you fined your setting its done just another expensive thing to go wrong ,but ha we all have our own opinion, not running kaw down i,ve had them and only them for over thirty years
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: BigAlan on February 16, 2019, 08:32:24 PM
Rog, your right, the new Versys looks like a cracking bit of kit and lighter than a GTR, I loved every minute of my GTR and only sold it when it was to heavy to push around easily, I also agree the GTR is now long in the tooth and won't be replaced so this Versys could be the answer.

As a Multistrada rider £16k is cheap for what you get, well worth considering.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on February 17, 2019, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: Lloyd on February 16, 2019, 08:30:17 PM
I looked in a versys before i had mine they were side by side and im sorry but the overall finish on the versys was not that good ,as to suspension when you fined your setting its done just another expensive thing to go wrong ,but ha we all have our own opinion, not running kaw down i,ve had them and only them for over thirty years

Which model year Versys were you  looking at ?  I ask because I have witnessed a massive improvement in the quality and finish of all Kawasaki products in today's product line up,  this is a fact right through the current range/line up .......   you only have to visit your local Kawasaki dealership to see for yourself   :yes:   

Your observations about suspension and settings are confusing, however we all have our own opinions/views  :smiley:   

FWIW I too have owned many, many Kawasaki's over many, many years  :smiley: 
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Lloyd on February 17, 2019, 10:31:49 AM
2018 model  with boxs fitted ,at cradley kaw brand new in green
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Lonewolf on February 18, 2019, 05:18:58 PM
It's a nice colour, but the panniers look tiny. If you have panniers fitted to a bike you should at least be able to get a helmet in one, or is that expecting too much?
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on February 18, 2019, 06:42:12 PM
Quote from: Lonewolf on February 18, 2019, 05:18:58 PM
It's a nice colour, but the panniers look tiny. If you have panniers fitted to a bike you should at least be able to get a helmet in one, or is that expecting too much?
good point wonder how size compares to GTR in litres. Somebody will know.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Lonewolf on February 18, 2019, 07:04:57 PM
The GTR panniers look bigger.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Burchy on February 18, 2019, 07:05:33 PM
The SX panniers are 27 litres.  Think the GTR are 35
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on February 18, 2019, 07:13:41 PM
i thought the Versys panniers are 28Litre capacity, the GTR1400  are indeed 35 Litre

The Versys panniers, despite their unusual shape (maybe form over function) will accomodate most full face helmets
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on February 18, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
Quite a drop in capacity that. If two up travelling that will limit things. Especially if a woman is involved!!
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on February 18, 2019, 08:32:57 PM
Quote from: PRD on February 18, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
Quite a drop in capacity that. If two up travelling that will limit things. Especially if a woman is involved!!

The same panniers are used for all models now

I don't like the shape and appearance of the latest panniers,  however they are capable of carrying more than their looks might suggest even with the superb quality fitted inner bags that are included.  :yes:     
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: pross on February 18, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: PRD on February 18, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
Quite a drop in capacity that. If two up travelling that will limit things. Especially if a woman is involved!!

The panniers are for the women you have the top box and your pockets and how much you can wear 😂👍 :whistling:
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on February 18, 2019, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: pross on February 18, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
The panniers are for the women you have the top box and your pockets and how much you can wear 😂👍 :whistling:
Now I see where I have been going wrong. Thought it was equal rights......
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Robbieben on February 19, 2019, 01:23:50 PM
Having owned a couple of bikes with smaller panniers it's a struggle to pack enough clothing, toiletries etc for a 2 week trip away on the bike for two people. I have no such problem with the GTR panniers and a 47 litre top box. I have one pannier, the wife has one pannier and the top box has the wife's overspill and essentials,(read that as 40 of the 47 litres) :lipsrsealed: waterproofs, tyre repair kit etc.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on February 19, 2019, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: Robbieben on February 19, 2019, 01:23:50 PM
Having owned a couple of bikes with smaller panniers it's a struggle to pack enough clothing, toiletries etc for a 2 week trip away on the bike for two people. I have no such problem with the GTR panniers and a 47 litre top box. I have one pannier, the wife has one pannier and the top box has the wife's overspill and essentials,(read that as 40 of the 47 litres) :lipsrsealed: waterproofs, tyre repair kit etc.
just another reason to keep the good old Gtr. Panniers on the k16 are smaller than ours as well.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: ChrisB on February 20, 2019, 09:45:56 PM
To put this into realistic perspective, the difference in volume of say 8 litres per pannier equates to a fair amount of whiskey (my choice) or vodka (her choice).
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on February 21, 2019, 08:08:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sg7yAxqrrs   

Some may find this interesting....granted it is one persons view/opinion... look at the quality of finish    :wink:   
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on February 21, 2019, 08:45:11 AM
Looks nice.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Rusty on February 22, 2019, 07:04:39 AM
I have to say ..in a strange way I quite like it   :yes: ..BUT it looks as if it needs much bigger luggage or a least a bigger top box and maybe a Kawasaki bag .. those diddly panniers won't be good for much when out and about. I was always pleased with the overall finish too.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on February 22, 2019, 07:49:05 AM
Quote from: Rusty on February 22, 2019, 07:04:39 AM
I have to say ..in a strange way I quite like it   :yes: ..BUT it looks as if it needs much bigger luggage or a least a bigger top box and maybe a Kawasaki bag .. those diddly panniers won't be good for much when out and about. I was always pleased with the overall finish too.

I'm not sure what type of bag you mean, the luggage does include very good quality Kawasaki branded inner bags for the panniers and top box   :yes: 

I agree the panniers aren't what I would call 'practical' but as I previously mentioned they do hold more than I thought  :smiley:   
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on February 22, 2019, 08:38:55 AM
I do like the bike but I think the panniers are too small for serious touring. The BMW GS loses a lot of capacity on one side due to raised exhaust as well.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Robbieben on February 25, 2019, 11:37:29 PM
I had the opportunity to have a good look at the new 2019 Versys this weekend and without a doubt it looks great, I like the TFT Screen which is similar to the Ducati Multi screen, a great touring bike for one person I'd say, panniers let it down for two up longer trips.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: GTRpilot on March 05, 2019, 03:06:16 PM
I'm looking at the Versys as a replacement for my GTR. Regards panniers, just fold the clothes differently and take less, we always take far to much crap with us, "Just in case", and never end up using half of it. Hopefully I can still fit my Givi maxia top box on it which will give more room  :popcorn:
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on March 05, 2019, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: GTRpilot on March 05, 2019, 03:06:16 PM
I'm looking at the Versys as a replacement for my GTR. Regards panniers, just fold the clothes differently and take less, we always take far to much crap with us, "Just in case", and never end up using half of it. Hopefully I can still fit my Givi maxia top box on it which will give more room  :popcorn:

I have a Givi Maxia Monokey which I use on the standard plate, it works perfectly
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: GTRpilot on March 08, 2019, 11:26:24 AM
The big question is, is the new Versys worth the extra £5 grand just for electronic gizmo's?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Robbieben on March 08, 2019, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: GTRpilot on March 08, 2019, 11:26:24 AM
The big question is, is the new Versys worth the extra £5 grand just for electronic gizmo's?  :popcorn:
It seems to be the way all the manufacturers are going, more electronics for safety and comfort means a bigger purchase price, doesn't matter which manufacturer these days, If and it's a big "IF" Kawasaki were to update and replace the GTR I think we would see a price tag near £18,000.00 in todays market.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: GTRpilot on March 08, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: Robbieben on March 08, 2019, 12:20:29 PM
It seems to be the way all the manufacturers are going, more electronics for safety and comfort means a bigger purchase price, doesn't matter which manufacturer these days, If and it's a big "IF" Kawasaki were to update and replace the GTR I think we would see a price tag near £18,000.00 in todays market.

Yep, I think your right. Gone are the days when motorcycling was a cheap form of transport.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on March 08, 2019, 06:14:25 PM
Yep it's a leisure market now and yet they should be encouraging use of small bikes to get around and help save the environment. Instead we have one person per car sitting in jams. And then massive 4 X 4's....
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on March 08, 2019, 06:44:29 PM
IMHO it is extremely unlikely that the venerable GTR will be re-introduced especially since KHI  now have an extremely modern and competent line up of alternatives..... HS SX SE ...... Z 1000 SX  & VERSYS 1000 (several versions). The GTR did not meet Euro 4 emissions requirements let alone the impending Euro 5 requirements.

The only real way to find out about the qualty of the latest version of the Versys 1000 is to try one for yourself   :popcorn:   

OOI, only the top of the range Versys1000 SE GT costs around £16000, other versions are more competitively priced   :yes:   
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Tregosy on March 09, 2019, 06:56:11 PM
Good write up in this months Ride magazine for the Versys. I'll be keeping my GTR though.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Robbieben on March 11, 2019, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: O.C. on March 08, 2019, 06:44:29 PM
IMHO it is extremely unlikely that the venerable GTR will be re-introduced especially since KHI  now have an extremely modern and competent line up of alternatives..... HS SX SE ...... Z 1000 SX  & VERSYS 1000 (several versions). The GTR did not meet Euro 4 emissions requirements let alone the impending Euro 5 requirements.
Yes, I agree, I think the supercharged platform is the new evolution for Kawasaki, though I do hope they release a real touring version to replace the GTR. The H2 SX is great, I've tried one but just not suitable as a replacement for my GTR taking into consideration that I use it for longer 2 up tours with the wife. Though if I was to leave the wife at home....
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: PRD on March 11, 2019, 03:17:13 PM
I had a look at the new Versys 1000 se yesterday. I really liked it but chain drive and the panniers are too small. Will definitely
Consider it if I decide to get rid of gtr though.
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Rusty on March 15, 2019, 08:03:50 PM
Roger .. I may be mistaken in my old age but I thought Kawasaki did soft luggage too ? Like a strap down bag for the rear seat ? Perhaps not, but I am glad you found plenty of room in what was already there. Lots to choose from out there .. Kriega are always very good quality. :yes:
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on March 16, 2019, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: Rusty on March 15, 2019, 08:03:50 PM
Roger .. I may be mistaken in my old age but I thought Kawasaki did soft luggage too ? Like a strap down bag for the rear seat ? Perhaps not, but I am glad you found plenty of room in what was already there. Lots to choose from out there .. Kriega are always very good quality. :yes:

There may be such an item in the Kawasaki accessory range but I'm not aware of it. Kawasaki hard luggage does include branded inner bags nowadays and they are very good quality plus they fit the panniers/top box perfectly

https://www.kawasaki.co.uk/en/accessories/Merchandise/Luggage?UidCat=0201W0YNBkU9Iw&UidSubCat=0634WlhZXFhaWllYWF1cXVxRUFlZUVFZWkYNBkU9Iw


IMHO Givi are the best at that kind of equipment   :yes:   
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: Rusty on March 16, 2019, 09:33:06 PM
Excellent .. I should know better than to query you !    :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: New Kawasaki 1000 grand tourer
Post by: O.C. on March 17, 2019, 06:52:20 AM
Quote from: Rusty on March 16, 2019, 09:33:06 PM
Excellent .. I should know better than to query you !    :mfr_lol:


Oh, I don't know about that    :sweatdrop:    :mfr_lol: