I've never liked any of the Windows OS.....a few years back I bought a new laptop, the old one was still ok so I formatted the hard drive and loaded a Linux OS.
I had to learn how to work this OS, I've always wanted to get better with computers, I'm curious of what's going on inside this box of tricks we all use so much these days.
Unfortunately working the hours that I did back then it was not easy, and I dropped back into using Win again. I'm now thinking that as I don't do the same hours as before I'm getting the old Linux laptop out and firing her up.
I've stopped using Win Explorer years back, I've never used Hotmail. I've run Fire Fox and Seamonkey as my browsers, I know I still have a lot to learn but I'll get there.... (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/yes/winking-thumbs-up-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
W10 isn't as bad as W8 or ME
Quote from: mikeyw64 on August 06, 2017, 09:25:44 AM
W10 isn't as bad as W8 or ME
I found W10 difficult at first, but am used to it now, it does seem to have some daft ways about it though, but that'e probably just me too :mfr_lol:
I switched from Windows to a MAC almost two years ago now and I don't regret it at all. This was because I bought two Windows Laptops each top notch, £1100 approx each, one crashed and burned within a few days of buying it, the other the same day, all I was doing was editing some HD video footage. If a PC of that calibre can't handle some simple editing, then it's shite. They were both Sony Vaoi's (not sure if thats how you spell it).
"MS Windows is like air conditioning - it only works if there aren't any windows open..."
"Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing."
"Once you go Mac, you never go back."
I work with a variety of kit, running various operating systems (even some seriously old stuff running MS-Dos!)
My OS of choice at home (and has been for a very long time now) has been Apple's OS X, now called macOS.
It just works.
Just my twopennyworth :yes:
Cheers
Paul B.
:agree:
My personal Laptop runs W7
My works laptop is W10
My Tablet is IoS
My Phone is Android
I worked in IT support for 24 years, Mac everything here, and that's after years of Windows but I had to convert from pure ease of use.
All of my PC's are Win10. Very few issues.
Work laptop Win7, both home PCs are Win10, phone and tablet are Android 7.
OSX is good and easy to use if you never do anything out of the ordinary.
Also don't like Apple's lock-in business model.
I've played with Linux over the years (have several VMs of a variety of flavours) but can't run Fallout4 or GTA 5 on them so mostly useless.
Windoze can be flaky and buggy, but I know it and love/hate it at the same time.
Quote from: Boomer on August 07, 2017, 04:49:53 PM
OSX is good and easy to use if you never do anything out of the ordinary.
Also don't like Apple's lock-in business model.
Define "out of the ordinary" :smiley:
And the "lock-in business model" ensures that the hardware and operating system are always 100% compatible, unlike Windoze where any Unknown 3rd party company can create a plug in card, throw together a driver, and let the users find the bugs when Windoze comes crashing to its knees.
And those free operating system upgrades that Apple provide... Such a bummer :wink:
I know it's all about personal choice, but "total cost of ownership" plays a big part for me.
Cheers
Paul B.
I popped down to an Apple Store in Leeds today for a cable which PC World and Maplin told me didn't exist. Bear in mind that PC World are authorised stockists of Apple products. A very helpful member of staff fully understood what it was I was trying to do, they found the part for me which was in stock and out I walked with it.
You can't fault the customer service you get from Apple.
I switched to MacOS when they thrust Vista on us, what a pile of kak.
I now only have 2 (plus a spare test lappy) Windows machines, my Wifes touch screen HP which she has had for a few years, recently upgraded it to 10 and imaged it in case I get bored.. I have a games machine that does what it says on the can, nothing but games. No office, no friggen with software nowt...and it just works.
I had Windows 10 on it as I was a early previewer of it, worked great until it 'upgraded itself whilst I was at work, first I saw that it had upgraded itself was the configuring message when I logged in, that update broke my steam and never got it working again, rollbacks, rebuilds, nada, zip nothing.. so that machine is now Win7 and I've never looked back.
Main machine is a Mac Pro hex core trashcan and a Mac Book Pro, the Mac Book gets all the prereleases but the Mac Pro is the main workhorse.
I cant see me going back to Windows until they give me control of my system back, when I install patches, updates and upgrades...Microsoft simply "Do not know better".
The Mac Pro with its 50 odd TB of thunderbolt storage is so far ahead of Windows than I'm not sure they'll ever catch up, although, I have decided that after a mere year it might need a clean install of the OS, I did some orrible things to it when I migrated from my Old Mac Pro 2009, it has never been right since..
My Windows test laptop just got the creators edition a few days ago, so we'll see how we get on with that.
As for why Mac vs Windows, one of the laptops is 2.5 years old and I cant get the 4g card working as Dell dont provide drivers for Windows 10 and that device..My Mac Pro 2009 was still supported (from a software point of view) when I sold it...yup, sold it, Mac gear retails muchas value in the second hand market.
Also, whats out of the ordinary? My MB Pro does everything my old Windows machines did, anything challenging just results in a VM.
There is an awful lot of software out there that just isn't written for Macs or other 'nix machines.
At work I support a radiooncology management system that is written for Windoze and most of the machines it connects to are Win, with the occasional 'nix system thrown in when we need a PC that simply cannot ever crash (Very old, command line only, super stable versions of Linux).
Apple simply don't get a look in (even though our software development site is just up the road from Cupertino) because they don't allow developers access to the kernel, thus preventing the kind of interactions we need.
For home use or for graphics/media OSX is good, but in an industrial/business environment, they are nowhere.
I type this under the caveat the I know *nothing* about radiooncology management software; that sounds very specialist.
There is more serious specialist software out there for the Mac than a mere mortal like me can imagine. They somehow managed to develop their software without developer access to the kernel.
I'm more than happy to be shot down, but I'd guess that some developers don't understand the frameworks that Apple provide for programming. Plus, I'm sure the accountants will have looked into cost of development vs. number of licenses they'd sell for Mac hardware.
As you say, some software will only ever be written for Windows. Not much anyone can do about that. VirtualBox is an excellent (and free!) way to run Windows under macOS for those who need that Windows-only software.
Cheers
Paul B.
Quote from: Boomer on August 13, 2017, 01:45:16 PM
There is an awful lot of software out there that just isn't written for Macs or other 'nix machines.
At work I support a radiooncology management system that is written for Windoze and most of the machines it connects to are Win, with the occasional 'nix system thrown in when we need a PC that simply cannot ever crash (Very old, command line only, super stable versions of Linux).
Apple simply don't get a look in (even though our software development site is just up the road from Cupertino) because they don't allow developers access to the kernel, thus preventing the kind of interactions we need.
For home use or for graphics/media OSX is good, but in an industrial/business environment, they are nowhere.
There is very little windows software that I can't run on my mac, either as a VM or Crossover. My Audi diag software simply wont run on Windows anymore so I have an XP VM on my Mac Book. Whats really annoying is that a 2-3 year old Dell Laptop isnt fully supported on Windows 10, pretty crazy.
Never had an issue yet, one of the big issues with the likes of the NHS and those many types of specialised software is that as newer Windows refuses to support older apps you are stuck into paying vast sums to upgrade to the latest flavour for support purposes (assuming the company still exists) or you run unsupported OS's, and this is what a lot still do.
Mac's arnt for everybody though, likewise Unix/Linux, but for many 'it just works'.. I think that phrase is becoming less so these days, but the quality of the kit is second to none and the eco system will support it for many years to come.
Apple are the 4th biggest PC manufacturer in the world, I have also seen them in business environments,huge installs in Education too, and you know that with Apple kit you often are a generation ahead of windows PC's as Apple work closely with Intel, but you do need a compelling reason to use them, although the TCO stacks up well against Windows devices.
As for Apple not being in business environments, I've not visited many windows only graphic design firms. As I said you need a decent business case for Mac's due to the cost. In my view though, its well worth it. Until I sold (yes, sold) my Mac Pro 2009 last year, it was my main go to machine for 6-7 years. I went through many windows laptops and PC's in that time :)