Is it mainly because of the weight?
Why change if it's not a weight issue?
I know a few have recently downsized because of weight.
What about if the GTR had a reverse gear? Would that solve the problems?
No they believe that BMW is better quality. Unfortunately it is not in my experience.
It's completely possible to downsize due to weight issues without going to 'the dark side' ya know :yes:
Quote from: O.C. on June 08, 2017, 08:44:16 PM
It's completely possible to downsize due to weight issues without going to 'the dark side' ya know :yes:
and yours is a better bike!
Quote from: PRD on June 08, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
No they believe that BMW is better quality. Unfortunately it is not in my experience.
Pete define quality for me please if you will. Do you mean build quality, features, power, handling?
Quote from: The Wolf on June 09, 2017, 01:41:30 AM
Pete define quality for me please if you will. Do you mean build quality, features, power, handling?
all those Steve .......oh, and don't forget reliability :whistling:
Quote from: O.C. on June 09, 2017, 05:16:19 AM
all those Steve .......oh, and don't forget reliability :whistling:
exactly +1
It's called free choice! :boat:
Plenty out there to evaluate and try / ride / enjoy if it suits.
Just don't tell good lady! :eek:
I did I sell my gtr because of the weight issue. and after a few zzr 1400's decided to go with the k 1600 gt , even though it is heavier than the gtr , I prefer it , everyone has a different opinion, love the power , ride and comfort ,
I came away from big touring bikes (BMW K1200, GTR) because when my daughter bought her own "Big Bike" and didn't want to ride as passenger on holiday trips, I could see no benefit to moving an additional 60 kg that I did not need for my own use everywhere.
This is a decision that I have not regretted and from now on, I intend to make sure that every new bike is lighter than the previous, if at all possible.
I think people chop and change for many reasons. I loved my GTR .. really .. turbine smooth, cartoon quick, and loads of protection for my London commute right through the winter months .. I was happy. Then a friend of mine at work was going on leave for 2 weeks and gave me the keys to his Gs just to keep it ticking over whilst he was away. I left it for a week as I couldn't be arsed. I took it home one morning after "Nights" and by the time I had gone just a few miles I was hooked. A strange quirky looking Gs instead of my lovely GTR ??? You must be insane ! I was and it was chopped in within weeks. Nothing to do with weight or quality or build or range or speed or smooth ( that couldn't be any more different !!!! ) It was just different. The dark side is like Marmite and I love it. :yes:
:goodpost: totally agreed, we're all diffrent and have differing likes and dislikes :yes:
I have always liked the GS but with my previous experience of BMW bikes and their dealers would not dare buy one
It certainly was a weight issue for me. I wanted a heavier bike to throw around. I think my Indian is nearly 900 lbs. I didn't go out looking for a new bike, you know. It kinda just happened. I still have the C14 but it's sulking in the back of the garage for now.
PRD ... A shame to hear you clearly had bad dealings with BMW :sad: WITHOUT repeating it all ( as I may have missed it ) was it the bike or the dealer .. or both ? ... very briefly :wink:
Both and not just one bike!
Quote from: O.C. on June 11, 2017, 06:46:14 PM
:goodpost: totally agreed, we're all diffrent and have differing likes and dislikes :yes:
That's why I'm looking at one of these to add to thee fleet
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAfi08WEn8M
:punk: I have 2 ktm's they are brilliant bikes :biker3:
Remember the first rule Charlie. They are chain drive!
Quote from: Charlie747 on June 13, 2017, 09:08:55 AM
That's why I'm looking at one of these to add to thee fleet
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAfi08WEn8M
Very nice bro I wish I was rich. How about we have a joint bike insurance policy :whistling:
Why would you buy a bike with a chain ? :laugh:
Quote from: pross on June 13, 2017, 09:18:17 PM
Very nice bro I wish I was rich. How about we have a joint bike insurance policy :whistling:
No prob Bro :punk:
Quote from: nightrider on June 13, 2017, 02:29:57 PM
:punk: I have 2 ktm's they are brilliant bikes :biker3:
I'm sorely tempted.............to the point that a road test may be the forbidden fruit :mfr_lol:
Quote from: Rusty on June 13, 2017, 09:22:14 PM
Why would you buy a bike with a chain ? :laugh:
To remind me why I have 2 x shaft driven bikes.........one of which has the most superbly engineered anti squat and rise rear end of any shaft bike on the market 👌😎
Quote from: Charlie747 on June 13, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
No prob Bro :punk:
I'm sorely tempted.............to the point that a road test may be the forbidden fruit :mfr_lol:
To remind me why I have 2 x shaft driven bikes.........one of which has the most superbly engineered anti squat and rise rear end of any shaft bike on the market 👌😎
which one is that?
Well it ain't the European one
Charlie you already have three bikes and you very rarely get to ride the two that are road ready! Four is just being plain greedy :popcorn:
Quote from: The Wolf on June 15, 2017, 02:52:58 PM
Charlie you already have three bikes and you very rarely get to ride the two that are road ready! Four is just being plain greedy :popcorn:
i think you will find he will be doing a lot of riding soon!!
Yes I know and what better way to tour Germany than on the finest touring bike ever developed. :whistling:
But then why are the panniers smaller than Gtr? Not great for the greatest touring bike allegedly! Still if it goes wrong will be nearer factory!
Having just committed I didn't buy a bee emm as the build quality is very poor now and getting worse and I'm sure a lot of people have noticed in Europe almost every second bike is a bee emm.
Coming from a guzzi (also not great build quality!) I wanted something a little bit different. Still got my SV1000N Suzuki too, not got the brute power of the kwack but a lot of fun.
Quote from: PRD on June 15, 2017, 08:29:44 PM
But then why are the panniers smaller than Gtr? Not great for the greatest touring bike allegedly! Still if it goes wrong will be nearer factory!
Pete, I've only just seen this and what the panniers lacked in size, it's possible the K16 top box made up for. I could never afford a top box, unlike our Charlie Boy who is a very wealthy man.
I simply used a BMW small soft bag and it stored more than enough and a tenth of the price of the box. The panniers were a disappointing size, even more so when you use the pannier bags which were a staggering £200 for the pair! :wacko:
Steve, hate to admit it, but k16 went really well on our trip. Suspect top box is larger than gtr one and I will treasure the memory of Charlie and Cheryl forcing it shut when jammed full!
Quote from: PRD on July 03, 2017, 08:54:39 AM
Steve, hate to admit it, but k16 went really well on our trip. Suspect top box is larger than gtr one and I will treasure the memory of Charlie and Cheryl forcing it shut when jammed full!
I saw him do the exact same thing outside a butchers shop where we have met a couple of times. He always refused to show me what he had placed inside the top box, albeit that every time we stopped near anyone walking a dog, all hell broke loose!! :popcorn:
:mfr_lol:
I'm watching you guys :popcorn:
Quote from: Charlie747 on July 08, 2017, 04:50:29 AM
I'm watching you guys :popcorn:
Well at 04:50 hrs you shouldn't, be, you should be asleep you crazy fool! :sleep1:
Quote from: The Wolf on July 08, 2017, 06:55:30 PM
Well at 04:50 hrs you shouldn't, be, you should be asleep you crazy fool! :sleep1:
Sleep.........luxury :mfr_lol: