Ok just couldn't resist tinkering (and I will accept that the GTRs stock headlights are one of the best OEM fitments I've come across) however I haven't gone down the HID install route I murmured about previously.
Instead after doing some research on the different types of H4 LED options available I opted for a set of Lumiled fitted ones. Mine came from here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182229706561?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)and admittedly weren't cheap.(both more expensive & cheaper options were available)
The packaging does however smack of a quality product (& yes they will be Chinese sourced) and the instructions are in reasonably clear Chinglish (although the seller had added their own sheet of A4 with notes around the filament positioning.
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/boxed.jpg)
What I like about this style is when you compare them to a standard H4 Halogen bulb, the positioning of the leds lines up nicely as does the inclusion of the shield for the dipped section. In theory this should put the hot spot in the right place in the reflector.
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/compare.jpg)
Furthermore the inner section is secured by 2 screws and can be angled. The instructions say to position 6 for LHD and position 8 for RHD. This tilts the shielded section slightly, position 7 would be a neutral position similar to the Halogen unit
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/marks.jpg)
WHat is also nice is that the heat sink is removable which allows the OEM rubber boot to be slid back over before refitting the heat sink
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/rubber.jpg)
Initial impressions are that the light spread is identical to the standard Halogen unit although I will be calling in at my friendly testing station tomorrow and just checking it on their beam tester.
Will also take some pics as my phone can't handle the bright light at night although it does look nice and white especially as I have LDs in the DRL/Indicators and also the city lights.
One final thing, it's really nice to have a bike where (with minimal plastic removal) you don't have to be a gynecologist to replace the bulbs, even in poor light :clap:
That does look a good product and will be interested to hear your views when fitted and used.
Quote from: BigAlan on February 20, 2017, 09:32:38 PM
That does look a good product and will be interested to hear your views when fitted and used.
Fitted, just need to be used in anger :)
FYI the install is very straightforward:
1) Raise screen and remove both inner panels
2) Remove existing bulbs (plug off, rubber boot off, undo clip)
3) Unscrew Heatsink
4) Fit LED Bulb securing with clip as per Halogen fitment
5) Slide rubber boot over fly lead and over back part of bulb
6) Screw the heatsink back on
7) Connect the driver unit to the fly lead
8) Secure the driver unit (I used zip ties to the mirror/frame brackets
9) Test
10) Refit plastics
In the interests of the group I just took the bike for a 10 mile spin to get milk from the garage which is a 3 minute walk from my house.
The beam pattern looks pretty much identical to standard with no scatter and also I didnt get any oncoming vehicles flashing me or people in front slapping on the fog lights (ie the traditional indications you've annoyed someone)
The light is just brighter & whiter and out on some unlit country roads it was almost like driving in daylight. I've seen some conversions where you lose some of the foreground light but that isn't the case here
For reference these appear to be the same items direct from the Chinese suppliers
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Hottest-4000lm-H4-H13-H15-9004_782513201.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.9Wkp53&s=p
Couple of piccys from a quiet country road, they are much better IRL
DIP
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/dip_c.jpg)
MAIN
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/main_c.jpg)
Thanks for the write up. They look good and maybe on my shopping list.Have been looking at these but quite expensive .http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Pair-Philips-H4-6200K-X-treme-Ultinon-LED-High-Low-Beam-Headlight-Lamp-/252682547636?_trksid=p2349526.m2548.l4275 :clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: wildybeast on February 21, 2017, 08:50:57 AM
Thanks for the write up. They look good and maybe on my shopping list.Have been looking at these but quite expensive .http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Pair-Philips-H4-6200K-X-treme-Ultinon-LED-High-Low-Beam-Headlight-Lamp-/252682547636?_trksid=p2349526.m2548.l4275 :clap: :clap: :clap:
Aye the ones I've got are the CHinese version of the Philips :)
That said they do exude quality all the way from the packaging to little touches like thermoelectric paste on the heatshrink threads
quality equipment, and good explanation regarding installation :clap:
white lights :)
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/whitelights.jpg)
The scene
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/bt01.jpg)
Dip/Lo
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/bt02.jpg)
Main/Hi (hmm got a bit shakey there, soz)
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/LED/bt03.jpg)
Thanks for the info
I was looking for this type of solution
Hopefully I'll be in HK soon
Wait and see
I have got my H4 from HK (trip back)
They are a bit different from yours but I think they are build on the same production line
Mine came with no instruction on position. so I am going to use the same as yours: 6 for LHD and position 8 for RHD
Are you still happy with these settings? You are set at 8? (I am in France so it should be 6 but I feel it's not the right setting)
I have added photos of before and after (note that before, on the left is Phillips ultimate white filament bulb)
Sincerely
Quote from: badaboum on March 31, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
I have reveiced my H4 LED from ALibaba
They are a bit different from yours but I think they are build on the same production line
Mine came with no instruction on position. so I am going to use the same as yours: 6 for LHD and position 8 for RHD
Are you still happy with these settings? You are set at 8? (I am in France so it should be 6 but I feel it's not the right setting)
I have added photos of before and after (note that before, on the left is Phillips ultimate white filament bulb)
Sincerely
Based on one of our American cousins extra testing as he had some issues with position 6 I would be tempted to use 8 regardless of where you are
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=22202.msg276456#msg276456
Hi
I will try then 8 on both sides!!
Thanks
Hi
Tried 8 on both sides and it's defenetly not the best setting. I would assume that the people walking on the street will be crazy about my lights..
:shit: :shit: :shit:
Quote from: badaboum on April 03, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
Hi
Tried 8 on both sides and it's defenetly not the best setting. I would assume that the people walking on the street will be crazy about my lights..
:shit: :shit: :shit:
Might be worth adopting MAx's approach of rotating slowly whilst observing the pattern against a flat wall.
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His is a US bike , no idea if the reflector is different to yours but its definitely different to my UK Bike, and 8 works just fine for me
Yes I think I am going to do that but that's a 2 man operation...
Because I am not sure alone how the pattern is supposed to be on a wall..
The ZG forum is down at the moment so I can't check if he managed to do it by himselft or if he needed help
Cheers
Quote from: badaboum on April 03, 2017, 10:10:48 PM
Yes I think I am going to do that but that's a 2 man operation...
Because I am not sure alone how the pattern is supposed to be on a wall..
The ZG forum is down at the moment so I can't check if he managed to do it by himselft or if he needed help
Cheers
Did it himself although it was a bit of a fafff.
Disconnected the power leads to both sides
Unscrewed the heatsink from one side
Removed bulb from that side
Slackened off the retaining screw so it was just able to move
Think he refitted the heatink befor e reconencting that bulb
Pointed at wall
Slowly rotated the inner section until the pattern was right
Looked down the front to check the number
Removed & retightened the securing screw and fully refit.
Rinse & repeat the other side
Easy to see the numbers
(http://sharetheexperience.co.uk/Images/GTR/reflector.jpg)
Thanks for the copy paste!!
Just one question : how do you know that the pattern is right on the wall?
Thanks
Quote from: badaboum on April 04, 2017, 09:00:57 AM
Thanks for the copy paste!!
Just one question : how do you know that the pattern is right on the wall?
Thanks
Put the standard halogens back in first and make a note of the pattern?
Possibly add masking/gaffer tape on the wall?
Here it is
I have put the settings back at 1 and it seems to be the perfect spot
See below comparison with my full LED car
Nice right?
Quote from: badaboum on April 06, 2017, 11:23:19 PM
Here it is
I have put the settings back at 1 and it seems to be the perfect spot
See below comparison with my full LED car
Nice right?
Nice but that seems a long way round.
Just ot of curiosity do you have a picture of the beam pattern against a wall?
I'll do that tomorrow during my next ride
I went out yesterday and the beam seems nice on the road!!
Quote from: badaboum on April 10, 2017, 05:16:43 PM
I'll do that tomorrow during my next ride
I went out yesterday and the beam seems nice on the road!!
:clap:
HIDs in mine £23 from china been in 12 months never been flashed on the road and motd no problem
Quote from: Delfox on May 01, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
HIDs in mine £23 from china been in 12 months never been flashed on the road and motd no problem
It certainly appears that the GTRs headlight handles HIDs better than some other bikes reflectors do but personally I've never been happy with a HID in a reflector type housing.
HID in an older style headlight with fluted glass that acts as a Lens, yes I've had good results
HID in a new reflector type housing, always had scatter
HID in a proper retrofit projector, the Best way IMHO of fitting HIDs
WHat I really like about these particular LEDs is that they put the light source in (almost as far as I can tell) exactly the same place it would be with a standard halogen bulb so therefore less risk of scatter
NB one of the "problems" of HID over extended periods in a reflector which wasn't designed for them is that they can burn out the silver
As with everything though YMMV :)
Guys
My contact in HK is making a sales for May order
The entire set of H4 Led is at US$33.50 / set
I think if some of you are interested that you gather and do a group order to reduce shipping cost
This is a great price !!!
PM me for contact details
Cheers