Kawasaki 1400 GTR

1400 GTR - All Models => 1400GTR Discussion => Topic started by: Macskwak on October 25, 2016, 03:55:25 PM

Title: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 25, 2016, 03:55:25 PM
Hi guys n gal. Does anyone think a difference of 0.0005 of an inch between valve shims will make any noticeable difference to the engine running. I personally dont think so but would value your oppinions anyway. Its just how the shim sizes have worked out. I have no inlets to do. Theyre all in spec and seven exhaust are out on 0.007 of an inch with actually one being 0.0065. When i reshim it brings them all around 0.008 with one at 0.0085. Do u think that odd one at 0.0085 will make a jot of difference ? 🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: BigAlan on October 25, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Back in the past when I was an engineer and used to visit a company who made race engines they would get to within a thou 0.001 and be happy.

I doubt very much it would make any difference, tightening a bolt slightly to tight might take up any slack or leaving a bolt to slack might give it a bit more clearance.

If it was my bike, I would be happy.
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Wookie on October 25, 2016, 06:54:32 PM
 :agree:
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 25, 2016, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: BigAlan on October 25, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Back in the past when I was an engineer and used to visit a company who made race engines they would get to within a thou 0.001 and be happy.

I doubt very much it would make any difference, tightening a bolt slightly to tight might take up any slack or leaving a bolt to slack might give it a bit more clearance.

If it was my bike, I would be happy.

Ye i did think it wouldnt make much odds. Well im gonna stick with it  ill throw a few photos too to show the amount of work involved. Showing exhaust cam in then out and spikey timing cog. Also one shows the limited amount of room to work with. But it is doable so when my shims arrive ill post some more 👍👍
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: wildybeast on October 25, 2016, 07:54:07 PM
I would be happy at that. A slightly larger gap is better as the gaps get smaller as they wear. :clap:
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 25, 2016, 08:00:02 PM
Yep wildy i make you right. Better over than under on these bikes 👍
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: wildybeast on October 25, 2016, 08:06:44 PM
heard stories of the camshaft position sensor leaking from the o ring seal. Maybe worth a look whilst your in there.
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: wildybeast on October 25, 2016, 08:21:51 PM
Another thing to consider is the fuel filter. http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=17490.0;topicseen
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 26, 2016, 12:00:29 AM
Ironicaly i have just replaced the o ring n guess what its bloody leaking again. So thats one ill be doing again and i got the genuine part from kwakies n i know i fitted it properly they are just too small simple as that. Good shout with th fuel filter tho as its not been done as far as i know 👍
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: virginiajim on October 26, 2016, 12:32:09 AM
Quote from: wildybeast on October 25, 2016, 08:21:51 PM
Another thing to consider is the fuel filter. http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=17490.0;topicseen

Actually Asif had a very good write up on that, I think.

Why yes, he did, and here it is..  You didn't even need to go out of country.  http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4244.0

Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 26, 2016, 07:24:31 AM
Quote from: virginiajim on October 26, 2016, 12:32:09 AM
Actually Asif had a very good write up on that, I think.

Why yes, he did, and here it is..  You didn't even need to go out of country.  http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4244.0

Thats great jim thanks your a star. I think il av a crack at that too while its apart and  then i think thats about everything done on this bike. 😬 :clap:
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 26, 2016, 08:04:51 AM
Quote from: virginiajim on October 26, 2016, 12:32:09 AM
Actually Asif had a very good write up on that, I think.

Why yes, he did, and here it is..  You didn't even need to go out of country.  http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4244.0

Loads of screen saver pics taken of this write up. It was very informative jim. He did a great job of photoing the whole job eh?  Ill use them for sure 👍😬
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: O.C. on October 26, 2016, 09:07:28 AM
Quote from: Macskwak on October 26, 2016, 08:04:51 AM
Loads of screen saver pics taken of this write up. It was very informative jim. He did a great job of photoing the whole job eh?  Ill use them for sure 👍😬

:agree:  thats the way to post a repair........especially for numpties like me   :mfr_lol:   
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: pross on October 26, 2016, 09:20:19 AM
Quote from: O.C. on October 26, 2016, 09:07:28 AM
:agree:  thats the way to post a repair........especially for numpties like me   :mfr_lol:   


I agree.thats awesome for someone to follow  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 26, 2016, 01:03:19 PM
Lol my valve adjustment pics were just for effect,you couldnt use them for reference but ill put a few more on as i go just in case some of you guys av never seen under the plastic or your engines in pieces 👍😃 :banana:    Its sometimes interesting for non mechanics to see the working parts of their bikes.
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: O.C. on October 26, 2016, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: pross on October 26, 2016, 09:20:19 AM

I agree.thats awesome for someone to follow  :clap: :clap:

I bet you agree that I'm a numptie too  :mfr_lol:   
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Debs on October 26, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Macskwak on October 26, 2016, 01:03:19 PM
my valve adjustment pics were just for effect, you couldn't use them for reference

WHAT?  :eek:

Now you tell us...  :censored: I better put it all back together then.  :hammer:  :whistling:

:mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 26, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: Debs on October 26, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
WHAT?  :eek:

Now you tell us...  :censored: I better put it all back together then.  :hammer:  :whistling:

:mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
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:mfr_lol: im hoping i will be able to myself. Ive got a big box for all my left over bolts 👍😬
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: O.C. on October 26, 2016, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: Debs on October 26, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
WHAT?  :eek:

Now you tell us...  :censored: I better put it all back together then.  :hammer:  :whistling:

:mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:

:mfr_lol: :mfr_lol: 
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 29, 2016, 09:22:31 AM
Well i did my maths or math as jim would say lol and turns out i can swap three shims around so only need four shims. £36 later and a cheap valve check i think. Turns out it had three on their low limit and four out of spec so glad i did it and wouldnt you know my newly installed cam position sensor o ring was leakin again. I knew they were too thin so ive laced it with high temp sealer this time. New shims should arrive tday so ill av her running up today hopefully 👍👍👍😬 :banana:
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 30, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Yay :banana: :banana: valve check done n finished sounds nice runnin smooth rattled on start up then settled n now silky smooth adjusted throttle linkage n took up play now revs out v nice. Macs a happy chappy  :punk:
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: virginiajim on October 30, 2016, 03:12:53 PM
You're a better man than I, Mac.    That job would take me a month and I'd lose half the parts.
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: O.C. on October 30, 2016, 04:29:36 PM
yep, very well done Mac  :clap: 
Title: Re: Valve shims
Post by: Macskwak on October 30, 2016, 05:24:25 PM
Quote from: virginiajim on October 30, 2016, 03:12:53 PM
You're a better man than I, Mac.    That job would take me a month and I'd lose half the parts.

Ha ha jim youd be able to do it. Its just applying yourself and not being scared thats all.

Thanks oc. It was a saga but only because of waiting for micrometer n shims n bits from ebay. Once i had em it was full steam. V happy. Pulls like a train and runs nice n smooth 👍👍