Finally a verdict has been reached, I'm very pleased for the families and for everyone who has fought tirelessly for nearly 30 years to obtain the truth.
The verdict is quite rightly going to cause some serious ripples in Policing and in people's opinions of Police and it would appear now that the CPS are looking at bringing criminal charges against certain individuals.
Whatever the outcome of that may be, I am pleased that all those families can sleep well tonight knowing that their lost ones have been vindicated.
A few of my mates were there on the day and they have a very clear understanding of what caused the disaster. However, they weren't called as witnesses as they have a different view than the inquest was striving to justify. I'm not sure the truth is out at all. I'm sure the truth lies somewhere between the first verdict and this current one but it's all academic now.
What is certain is that those who died were't at fault so if it gives their families comfort then it's achieved something I suppose.
Just read about this.... :cry:
Seeing the reports on the news this evening clearly demonstrates that the :shit: will hit the fan now, with the Police service Ambulance services, a Sheffield Wednesday foot ball club in the firing line
I'm sure mistakes were made, on both sides, but when a mass of people start to push and surge it's very difficult if not impossible to stop them, the question is why did they continue to push?
Quote from: Birdpilot on April 26, 2016, 07:03:46 PM
I'm sure mistakes were made, on both sides, but when a mass of people start to push and surge it's very difficult if not impossible to stop them, the question is why did they continue to push?
Because they wanted justice for the dead. The liverpool fans where originally (wrongly) blamed for the disaster by the government of the day and the local police force, even the Sun newspaper ran a campaign blaming them (after the Hysel stadium disaster, this is why the Sun is still hated in the city.
Today's verdict can't bring the dead back but it can vindicate them and hopefully bring some form of closure to the families involved.
Quote from: Birdpilot on April 26, 2016, 07:03:46 PM
I'm sure mistakes were made, on both sides, but when a mass of people start to push and surge it's very difficult if not impossible to stop them, the question is why did they continue to push?
I felt and feel very sad for the innocent victims as I was a Forest supporter at the time, but was unable to make the match ( came off my bike !! :wacko: )
I think your spot on and the only people I blame are the people outside trying to get in....closed gates mean CLOSED, no entry, go home !!!!
Why do people have to be made accountable and prosecuted for other humans impatience, what exactly would anyone else have done in the same situation ?
It will be interesting to see the payouts, as bikers are killed unlawfully on a regular basis !!!!!!
Don't forget the drinking culture of fans at the time
If a man starts a shooting spree in a town centre and the Police send the armed response and ambulances to the wrong place so he kills 96 people, even if they try to cover up their mistakes over 20+ years, the fault of the deaths is still the guy with the gun; not the Police Commander who made the mistake. The "enquiry" ensured that the "inquest" would be favourable to the supporters but attributing no blame to the fans is a cover up equal to the origin Police fiddle, in my view.
The fans who died were the ones at the front who had tickets and arrived on time so there can be no blame to them. I think the confusion is that when people blame the fans they assumed they mean the victims which rightly angered the grieving families. My two friends who were there have no agenda; one was a junior motorcycle policeman and the other undercover monitoring the crowds in the pubs outside the game. They firmly blame the hundreds of Liverpool fans who had no tickets, were very drunk and decided to force their way into the ground by sheer weight of numbers. In their view, regardless of errors in policing and response, it is those fans who caused the disaster; not the police or the victims.
The politically correct coverage is making me increasingly angry and there is nobody brave enough to speak out.
That's a pretty good cogent statement, Phill
What concerns me is the apparent lack of impartiality in this enquiry. It was held in warrington, not a million miles from Liverpool, and comprised of local jurors. What other verdict would they have given? To me, this was a forgone conclusion 2 years ago
Quote from: davetherave on April 26, 2016, 07:20:23 PM
Because they wanted justice for the dead. The liverpool fans where originally (wrongly) blamed for the disaster by the government of the day and the local police force, even the Sun newspaper ran a campaign blaming them (after the Hysel stadium disaster, this is why the Sun is still hated in the city.
Today's verdict can't bring the dead back but it can vindicate them and hopefully bring some form of closure to the families involved.
Err, I meant at the stadium, if the fan's weren't at fault, who were the ones pushing from the rear when clearly the pens were full? Apologies for any confusion :whistling:
The Chief Constable has just been suspended.