Sorry guys, I know this is like watching TV these days (repeat after repeat after ..................)!!!
Anyroadup, Ive been having the warning (intermittendtly) about the rear one for about 2 years now, especially in the winters. However, it now comes on and stays on for a long time (although on the way back from MOT today, it did go off).
Bike is 2010 (newer marque, with the smaller glovebox thingy).
So called in to my usual little independent tyre dealer, he has quoted £50 to take wheel off, tyre off and 'a bit on top' if he needs to solder the battery. I could get the wheel off and do the soldering, but I would struggle to get the tyre off, so I think I will get him to do it all.
Just to clarify - is it DEFINITELY a solder job for the battery? Is any reprogramming needed? As the old battery is removed is the 'connection' to bike lost? And re-programming needed?
Also are Lithium batteries, same as Lithium Ion? Bit of conflicting info on web!!! Also any battery recommendations? There is so much choice, but I really hope not to have to repeat the process shortly!!
I will give the Kwaka dealer a ring tomorrow to get a price (out of interest) - just for interests sake.
No idea but I've been quoted £154 plus labour from Kawasaki for one on my front, which is a PITA since I've only had the bike for a month !!
Solder - Yes
Reprogramme - No
Tyre removal - Not completely. If you can break the bead seal, and compress the tyre in the valve area, you can remove the valve in the space created. Last time Ant and I done it, we used a number of G-cramps or ratchet clamp thingies to break the bead and squeeze the tyre to make space.
What a nuisance they are. More money to spend on something that is not really necessary.
Quote from: PRD on April 11, 2016, 07:37:10 PM
What a nuisance they are. More money to spend on something that is not really necessary.
From another forum
The UK went further than the UN requirement and mandated that all vehicle registered after 2012 have TPMS - it is a MOT fail for a post 2012 vehicle to not have an operative TPMSNot really necessary if people can be relied upon to check their tyres at less than the service interval. Sadly I think a lot of MOT tests and roadside checks will prove the opposite.
As Doebag says ...... and there's a good write up here somewhere showing how to break the bead with the G clamps. I did it, its not that hard to do with decent clamps. I had a little trouble getting the tyre to re-seat, so took the wheel off and blew it up at the local garage with a little fairy liquid on the wheel rim.
http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5344.0
If you have trouble getting the bead to resit for inflation, tie a rope or use a ratchet strap around the tyre circumference and tighten slowly to force the beads onto the rim.
Thanks guys, I'll see how much the stealer quotes tomorrow.
Got a free day Friday - so I 'may' try the G-Clamp option, I guess worse case scenario, I fail and take the wheel to my tyre guy, but I'll try first.
Take them out ,chuck in a drawer in the garage , you do not need them ,
Quote from: nightrider on April 11, 2016, 09:56:29 PM
Take them out ,chuck in a drawer in the garage , you do not need them ,
True..... I don't NEED the ABS, traction control, or adjustable screen either...... but I sure as hell ain't gonna disable them?
And I definitely am NOT gonna throw them in the bin, but ta for the suggestion.
Good for you! :agree: :banana:
Quote from: nightrider on April 11, 2016, 09:56:29 PM
Take them out ,chuck in a drawer in the garage , you do not need them ,
:agree:
Quote from: nightrider on April 11, 2016, 09:56:29 PM
Take them out ,chuck in a drawer in the garage , you do not need them ,
:agree:
WOW!!! Just for interest dealer quoted £309.88!!!!!!!! Just for the sensors - but that is for two, so thats alright then :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
About £415 inc fitting.
Off to look for my G-Clamps in the garage!!!
This is the first bike I have had with this system fitted. My other bikes I got into the habit of checking the tyre pressure's and tyres prior to riding, and still do with this one.
I'm not sure I see the point of it TBH, apart from another money making attempt by the manufacturer, as the above quote shows, 'cause all batteries will eventually run down, and why make it so difficult to replace £££ :shocked:
if you get a blowout on a tyre I'm pretty sure you'll know about it without the TPMS telling you, I got a rear tyre puncture on my Pan while riding, just a slow one and as it deflated I could tell straight away something was wrong, ok the monitor would have confirmed it but by then I was stopped and checking.
And if it's a very slow puncture your daily check before riding will reveal that problem.
Or am I missing something??? :whistling:
No I don't think you are missing anything- and yes I do still check my pressures with a good old fashioned gauge! The TPS is a nice to have, and does give a early warning if anythings amiss. It's on the bike, so I will get it working. They seem to be standard on most new quality bikes these days.
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All of my vehicles have tire pressure sensors. I check the air pressures at least once a week in all of them. I rely on the tire pressure sensors to let me know of slow leakages. They will not let you know of any catastrophic failures because they are.....................well, catastrophic. My only issue with the sensors on my cars are my wife and children. They don't tell me when the yellow tire warning light comes on. Goes like this.... I come outside and see that one tire appears to be flattish. Check the pressure and it's less than 20 lbs. Get in the car and turn it on. Yellow tire pressure warning is quite visible. Go inside and ask about the warning light. I get a blankish stare. I say that you do realize it's a :censored: WARNING light, right? I also ask was the car pulling one way or the other... I get the answer 'kinda'. This is my life... I then pour some Scotch after I take the vehicle in to get the tire fixed. Both my daughters had Nissans at some point and both of them had a sensor or two that complained about the cold and wouldn't work at all until they warmed up. Kinda like me.
Back to the bike. I only have two wheels. A catastrophic failure on the road can happen. Sensor or not, will not help in this situation. The sensors are there for slow leaks. If it weren't for the original :censored: batteries, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. I really do think that many of the batteries were defective from the get go on the early bikes and some of the newer bikes as well. Many have not had the low battery issue......ever. I have and it got worse and worse until I just couldn't stand it and replaced the batteries myself. Haven't had an issue since. I think that the French company that sourced the original sensors cheapened out on the batteries. The wheel pressures are on my screen all the time as that is what I'm concerned about the most whilst riding.
I like the sensors. I like the ABS. I like all the safety features. They give me more time to worry about the Aholes on the road trying to kill me....
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Quote from: nightrider on April 11, 2016, 09:56:29 PM
Take them out ,chuck in a drawer in the garage , you do not need them ,
But then that could spell an MOT failure!
Quote from: Daisy on April 12, 2016, 01:49:00 PM
I don't think it's the batteries. Mine only has a problem with the front one, and only then if the temp gets below 15 degrees C. By the time it gets into single digits it's press two buttons time and put up with the red light for 20 minutes or so. Even after replacing the battery it will still throw warnings if it gets cold enough.
It is the battery. The replacement battery could be weak as well. I haven't had any issues with mine since the batteries were replaced......at any temp.
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Quote from: The Wolf on April 12, 2016, 01:59:49 PM
But then that could spell an MOT failure! So if your tps does not work but everything else ok could be an mot failure. Surely not.
Quote from: kwarrgtr on April 12, 2016, 11:54:23 AM
No I don't think you are missing anything- and yes I do still check my pressures with a good old fashioned gauge! The TPS is a nice to have, and does give a early warning if anythings amiss. It's on the bike, so I will get it working. They seem to be standard on most new quality bikes these days.
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Not saying your wrong to get it working and I'll probably do the same, in fact my front was flashing in the colder weather but seems to have settled now :sweat drop: just seems to me another thing to go wrong when most riders that value their skins carefully check the tyres anyway. Be interested to see how you get on, as I might be down the same route sooner or later :whistling:
Quote from: virginiajim on April 12, 2016, 01:10:02 PM
All of my vehicles have tire pressure sensors. I check the air pressures at least once a week in all of them. I rely on the tire pressure sensors to let me know of slow leakages. They will not let you know of any catastrophic failures because they are.....................well, catastrophic. My only issue with the sensors on my cars are my wife and children. They don't tell me when the yellow tire warning light comes on. Goes like this.... I come outside and see that one tire appears to be flattish. Check the pressure and it's less than 20 lbs. Get in the car and turn it on. Yellow tire pressure warning is quite visible. Go inside and ask about the warning light. I get a blankish stare. I say that you do realize it's a :censored: WARNING light, right? I also ask was the car pulling one way or the other... I get the answer 'kinda'. This is my life... I then pour some Scotch after I take the vehicle in to get the tire fixed. Both my daughters had Nissans at some point and both of them had a sensor or two that complained about the cold and wouldn't work at all until they warmed up. Kinda like me.
Back to the bike. I only have two wheels. A catastrophic failure on the road can happen. Sensor or not, will not help in this situation. The sensors are there for slow leaks. If it weren't for the original :censored: batteries, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. I really do think that many of the batteries were defective from the get go on the early bikes and some of the newer bikes as well. Many have not had the low battery issue......ever. I have and it got worse and worse until I just couldn't stand it and replaced the batteries myself. Haven't had an issue since. I think that the French company that sourced the original sensors cheapened out on the batteries. The wheel pressures are on my screen all the time as that is what I'm concerned about the most whilst riding.
I like the sensors. I like the ABS. I like all the safety features. They give me more time to worry about the Aholes on the road trying to kill me....
I'm not alone on the family side of things then :mfr_lol:
I had a piece of slate go through my tyre in Wales.
And my TPS kicked in straight away the dash lit up red and the display showed how quick the pressure was dropping.
The AA could not fix it and it would of cost a couple of hundred for recovery :censored:.
I said go forth and multiply .
I carry a small compressor and kept stopping and using the compressor using the TPS readout to tell me when to fill again to get home from craven arms and next day had new tyres fitted. The TPS made this easier to do IMHO .
In 1995 ish whilst returning from the N.W 200 races on my then ZX9R I suffered a slow puncture of the rear tyre, I noticed whilst strapping the bike down on the ferry, the bike was loaded and had a pillion, it was a nightmare scenario but I managed to slowly negotiate the 45 mile journey home
The point is I haven't had another flat tyre until 2012 when I suffered a slow puncture on the trear of my then GTR...I'm glad I had TPS to warn me and make the journey home a lot easier
Mind you with PR3's it probably is a good idea. On other tyres not so important!
Quote from: PRD on April 12, 2016, 06:22:58 PM
Mind you with PR3's it probably is a good idea. On other tyres not so important!
yep it was a PR3 puncture :yes:
Quote from: Birdpilot on April 12, 2016, 11:49:21 AM
And if it's a very slow puncture your daily check before riding will reveal that problem.
Or am I missing something??? :whistling:
Yes, the convenience. :smiley:
Having the pressures displayed means I can decide when to mess about getting the pump out and car in position (to power it). I still visually check my tyres for damage before I put the bike away after a ride. Since having the system I've been very pleased with it. Have had the odd battery warning on 0 or 1 degree days and had a rear battery replaced when the tyre was changed.
My biggest disappointment when I got the bike was to discover the sensors only activate after riding a short distance. I had naively expected to turn on the ignition and then just inflate the tyres to the correct pressure using the displayed PSI.
If the system was like the ones on many cars with just a warning light, then I'd not care if it existed or not.
As for removing them completely, won't the display continually moan about them no being there every time you start the bike?
Nope just two black lines.
Very lonely black lines... :cry:
Just how accurate is the TPS regarding the displayed tyre pressure. Checked mine and both were 42 front and rear, good quality pressure gauge used, (I'm a bit OCD regarding tyre pressures), ride off and when the display kicked in it showed both at 44, although I had only trundled a short distance. Do the tyres really warm up that quickly on a cold morning? :popcorn:
Your tyres will warm up fairly quickly, obviously slower in colder weather,
I think the TPS is quite accurate, but maybe not perfect :smiley:
The TPS on the bike is a guide, it's never going to be 100% accurate but it's going to be good enough to hopefully keep you safe.
Yep, use it as a guide for the pressure, not as an absolute. Some say it's accurate, some (like me) say not so much. It is temp compensated according to Kwackers, but it's never really agreed with my gauge cold.
Quote from: The Wolf on April 13, 2016, 04:20:05 PM
The TPS on the bike is a guide, it's never going to be 100% accurate but it's going to be good enough to hopefully keep you safe.
:agree:
It is not 100% accurate but it is more accurate that pressure gauges on most gas stations.
On the other hand, if you are worried for 0.1, 0.2 bar difference than you are riding wrong kind of bike :whistling:
:agree:
Phew I think (the majority) of GTR riders on here (and some non GTR riders!!!) agree its worth doing.. so any battery recommendations?
So much choice on fleabay inc laptop batteries c/w tabs or cables attached so 'may' make the soldering (or for you US boys (Jim) soddering) process a bit easier??
I used Battery - CR-2032L/F 1N (Panasonic 3v with tabs) Sourced from Digi-Key http:\\www.digikey.com 800-344-4539 Note that the batteries (lithium) cannot be shipped through the mail. They have to come through a shipper like Fedex or UPS. Shipping is dear ($13+).
You may be able to source them locally, hopefully.
Additional info on our site...
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13831.0
This is the one from digikey in the UK http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/panasonic-bsg/CR-2032L%2FF1N/P668-ND/2415266
There may be other sources. The tabs were bent just right to work with the original sensors from what I remember. You want to use some sort of a heat sink between the electronics and where you solder.
Many thanx mate, much appreciated.
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All this time and effort to keep a system going that is not really necessary.
Quote from: PRD on April 14, 2016, 01:52:00 PM
All this time and effort to keep a system going that is not really necessary.
I couldn't disagree more. I'm sure I've posted on here before but the tyre pressure sensors on the GTR literally saved my life a few years ago. I wouldn't have a bike without them now. I am looking at an FJR and, if I buy it, would retro fit sensors.
Quote from: PRD on April 14, 2016, 01:52:00 PM
All this time and effort to keep a system going that is not really necessary.
That was certainly a flaw in some of the early bikes as was the ignition switch issue. Just don't hear much about them these days. Haven't heard of any issues with the newer sensors as of yet. And as much as we beat our chests and moan a bit, out of all the bikes sold, it hasn't been that much of a problem. I have an extended warranty but I decided to fix my sensors rather than get them removed and replaced with the ones that cannot be fixed or fit proper 90 degree stems. Personal preference I guess. Totally removing them is not an option for me. I like them and will continue to keep them.
My 2015 model GTR has a later and better TPS system
Just thought I'd say :whistling:
The addition of 90 degree valves would have been an improvement
I am happy not to have them.if they are fitted they are fitted. If not I don't need them.
I managed for years without ABS and I could probably still do so....I must say though that the TPS system made my return journey home with a nailed PR3 much easier
Now whilst I've managed to successfully bring the subject onto PR3s, why is it that they are so puncture prone and are the PR4s any better :popcorn: :popcorn: :mfr_lol:
Well the tps didn't tell me about the 3 inch screw that I currently have sticking out of my back tyre :sad:
Could put the back wheel in the tumble dryer see wot happens :mfr_lol:
Now there's an idea :mfr_lol:
Well it's always easier to get the tyre off when its warm , not sure if beko will cover the warranty or the cost of divorcee :mfr_lol:
Quote from: Charlie farley on April 14, 2016, 06:56:14 PM
Well it's always easier to get the tyre off when its warm , not sure if beko will cover the warranty or the cost of divorcee :mfr_lol:
Best thing is to check and see what Piggy recommends. And as for PR3's never again. I believe pr stands for puncture regularly. Cost me a fortune.
Well piggy says not to bother as he went through a crap deviorce 15 yrs and don't want a repeat , as for tyres mine are avon storm 2 and the back one is about to get a plug inserted :clap:
Lol
Wasn't aware that the PR3s were magnetized.