The standard horn is at best pants, so I decided to fit some PIAA alternatives
I fitted them to the existing horn mounting (after removing the OEM item) and connected them to the original power source . It was necessary to loop the two replacement horns together first.
The end result ???? brilliant and deffo more toot :mfr_lol:
(http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n326/oldeconey/2016-02-20%2013.26.14_zpsnhm8hzzm.jpg)
(http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n326/oldeconey/2016-02-20%2013.54.46_zpskkjw1aso.jpg)
I just have to eat more beans...
Quote from: virginiajim on February 21, 2016, 01:18:47 PM
I just have to eat more beans...
Strange you should mention that Jim :mfr_lol:
Is a good increase .
What price O.C.
And do you have a part number :yes:
So is it fair to say that you're chuffed with yer new Horn :whistling: :mfr_lol:
I have a sound bomb very loud and my horn gets loads of attention.
Mine as well.
Filthy gratuitous smut and innuendo ......................I love it :mfr_lol:
Here's the link .. :smiley:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIAA-SLIM-Dual-Tone-Sport-Car-HORNS-400-500Hz-High-Performance-Electric-/331404030637?hash=item4d293832ad:g:7A4AAOSwpdpVcGPP
They are much better sounding and a lot louder, IMHO they work better together rather than individually :yes:
I really try, you know.. Thank goodness I have two forums to practice on..
Quote from: O.C. on February 21, 2016, 08:22:30 PM
Filthy gratuitous smut and innuendo ......................I love it :mfr_lol:
Here's the link .. :smiley:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIAA-SLIM-Dual-Tone-Sport-Car-HORNS-400-500Hz-High-Performance-Electric-/331404030637?hash=item4d293832ad:g:7A4AAOSwpdpVcGPP
They are much better sounding and a lot louder, IMHO they work better together rather than individually :yes:
I had a look at the add O.C.
Did the u shape bracket come with them or did you make it ?.
Quote from: pross on February 22, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
I had a look at the add O.C.
Did the u shape bracket come with them or did you make it ?.
Its already on your bike...well its on mine ..standard KHI Part it's the original horn mounting, secured by 2 10mm bolts :yes:
Quote from: O.C. on February 22, 2016, 05:15:37 PM
Its already on your bike...well its on mine ..standard KHI Part it's the original horn mounting, secured by 2 10mm bolts :yes:
Thanks for that haven't looked :mfr_lol:
Saw it in the picture thought I would ask horns paid and ordered yesterday :mfr_lol:
:clap:
You said you looped them together. Is that series or parallel?
Quote from: STX1300man on February 23, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
You said you looped them together. Is that series or parallel?
I simply connectrd the two horns together with suitable cable and then used the original power cables
Sorry for the basic idiots reply but I'm no auto electrician :mfr_lol:
I did try the horns separately but they sou d much better working as a pair :yes:
Quote from: O.C. on February 24, 2016, 07:54:39 AM
I simply connectrd the two horns together with suitable cable and then used the original power cables
Sorry for the basic idiots reply but I'm no auto electrician :mfr_lol:
I did try the horns separately but they sou d much better working as a pair :yes:
What size cable ??
Quote from: pross on February 24, 2016, 08:48:02 AM
What size cable ??
Maplin ~ 0.2 / 10mm GREEN :smiley:
Quote from: O.C. on February 24, 2016, 07:54:39 AM
I simply connectrd the two horns together with suitable cable and then used the original power cables
Sorry for the basic idiots reply but I'm no auto electrician :mfr_lol:
I did try the horns separately but they sou d much better working as a pair :yes:
If they're designed to work individually (as well as a pair) then they'd need to be wired in parallel. That way you're supplying 12V to each item.
They'll sound better as a pair because of "beat frequencies": beat frequency is nothing but the difference in frequency of two waves. It is due to the destructive and constructive interferences. If one is 400Hz and the other is 500Hz then there will be a beat frequency of 100Hz when they are both played at once. It'll sound like 3 different tones, instead of just the 2!
Hope that helps.
Cheers
Paul B.
Thanks Paul ................ermmm .................can someone help me out as I don't understand that tech talk....I'm sure that it all makes sense to those who aren't as dim as me :rolleyes: :mfr_lol:
I just simply linked the two horns together as they were advertised as a 'pair' - I did try them out separately and one sounded okay but the other sounded shocking....together they sound great :clap:
Quote from: PaulB on February 24, 2016, 02:22:19 PM
If they're designed to work individually (as well as a pair) then they'd need to be wired in parallel. That way you're supplying 12V to each item.
They'll sound better as a pair because of "beat frequencies": beat frequency is nothing but the difference in frequency of two waves. It is due to the destructive and constructive interferences. If one is 400Hz and the other is 500Hz then there will be a beat frequency of 100Hz when they are both played at once. It'll sound like 3 different tones, instead of just the 2!
Hope that helps.
Do you have a wiring diagram to show this paul.
Cheers
Paul B.
Quote from: pross on February 24, 2016, 04:48:21 PM
Do you have a wiring diagram to show this paul.
Something like this:
+ve -------
| |
A B
| |
-ve --------
Where A and B are the individual horn units. Best I can do in a hurry. Will have more time later if that makes no sense at all :smiley:
Cheers
Paul B.
well that's clarified it all for me :mfr_lol:
Quote from: O.C. on February 24, 2016, 07:38:49 PM
well that's clarified it all for me :mfr_lol:
Ditto.
I'm a bus driver not a :censored: scientist :mfr_lol:
Makes sense to me
Quote from: virginiajim on February 24, 2016, 08:20:25 PM
Makes sense to me
just occasionally I'm unsure whether or not to believe you Jim
This is one such occasion :mfr_lol:
Looks easy to me!
Quote from: PRD on February 24, 2016, 08:44:43 PM
Looks easy to me!
however in your case I feel confident that you are taking the p☆ss Tony :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
Quote from: O.C. on February 24, 2016, 08:31:36 PM
just occasionally I'm unsure whether or not to believe you Jim
This is one such occasion :mfr_lol:
Well, my background in College was in electronics technology. Granted it's only a 2 year degree and it was primarily dealing with vacuum tubes (valves to you guys) and I've quite forgotten just about everything I learned (nearly 40 years ago) but that is a simple circuit diagram. :grin: Possibly one day we'll have a beer and discuss the eccentricities of electronic circuitry..
Quote from: virginiajim on February 24, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
Well, my background in College was in electronics technology. Granted it's only a 2 year degree and it was primarily dealing with vacuum tubes (valves to you guys) and I've quite forgotten just about everything I learned (nearly 40 years ago) but that is a simple circuit diagram. :grin: Possibly one day we'll have a beer and discuss the eccentricities of electronic circuitry..
That sounds excellent to me Jim, BTW I wasn't casting aspersions on your knowledge, more demonstrating my complete lack of understanding regarding all things electrical
I can wire a household plug though, does that count? :mfr_lol:
Absolutely!
This clip demonstrates my electrical skills perfectly :mfr_lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwBjLCAodLw
:mfr_lol:
One of his lesser know characters brilliant.
This will probably add to the confusion, but... :smiley:
Cheers
Paul B.
Top is parallel, bottom is in series...
Quote from: virginiajim on February 24, 2016, 10:42:22 PM
Top is parallel, bottom is in series...
Indeed, Jim. Exactly right. I marked that on the drawing (if you can click and enlarge it) :smiley:
Cheers,
Paul B.
:mfr_lol: Didn't have my glasses on..
Simples!
Quote from: PaulB on February 24, 2016, 10:39:02 PM
This will probably add to the confusion, but... :smiley:
Cheers
Paul B.
Actually Paul it has simplified things for me...thank you :smiley:
The attached picture shows how I used piggy back connectors to link the two horns together,
(http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n326/oldeconey/9d97a7c5-1a45-442c-8a71-8a938906c6bf_zpssafrmubr.jpg)
I'm going for the SPG whistle technique, I can fathom that one out :whistling:
:mfr_lol:
Quote from: Birdpilot on February 25, 2016, 09:45:53 AM
I'm going for the SPG whistle technique, I can fathom that one out :whistling:
I think you mean SEG. SPG was nothing to do with motrobikes and the namesake Vivian's hamster on the Young ones :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvrJT3-VIJ4
I took it to mean the post regarding Special Patrol Group police escort and the swallowed whistle scenario
Quote from: O.C. on February 25, 2016, 10:51:29 AM
I took it to mean the post regarding Special Patrol Group police escort and the swallowed whistle scenario
You're all showing your age. It's the Special Escort Group of the Met you're referring to, as opposed to the Central Escort Group managed by West Yorkshire Police to manage cycle races assisted by the civilian riders of the National Escort Group which is part of British Cycling.
The Special Patrol Group was disbanded in 1987 :-)
I remember Escort magazine :whistling: :whistling:
Quote from: Phill_York on February 25, 2016, 10:59:11 AM
You're all showing your age. It's the Special Escort Group of the Met you're referring to, as opposed to the Central Escort Group managed by West Yorkshire Police to manage cycle races assisted by the civilian riders of the National Escort Group which is part of British Cycling.
The Special Patrol Group was disbanded in 1987 :-)
well at least I knew what I meant Phil :mfr_lol:
Quote from: pross on February 25, 2016, 12:05:36 PM
I remember Escort magazine :whistling: :whistling:
I haven't a clue what you are referring to :popcorn:
Something to do with Ford's I think.
That was slightly later than health and efficiency mag. I think that was something to do with British Leyland.
Now we have established they are running in parallel ... do we know what amps they are pulling, and are they really suitable to run on the standard wiring setup without a relay?
Quote from: STX1300man on February 25, 2016, 08:55:19 PM
Now we have established they are running in parallel ... do we know what amps they are pulling, and are they really suitable to run on the standard wiring setup without a relay?
That's the question that I did half expect and can't answer myself
So come on you experts :smiley:
I've just looked at the advert again and it says "simply bolt in place of original horn and accepts spade plug from original wiring "
Ok, after a bit of detective work, they draw 5.7amps total. Kit is PIAA 85114 I think.
Here's a link to a lesser bike's installation of these horns..
http://www.fjrowners.com/forums/10-fjr-farkling-ii/31089-piaa-85114-slim-line-400hz-500hz-112db-sports-horn-kit.html
I may just buy the same thing myself.
Quote from: virginiajim on February 26, 2016, 03:57:01 AM
Ok, after a bit of detective work, they draw 5.7amps total. Kit is PIAA 85114 I think.
Here's a link to a lesser bike's installation of these horns..
http://www.fjrowners.com/forums/10-fjr-farkling-ii/31089-piaa-85114-slim-line-400hz-500hz-112db-sports-horn-kit.html
I may just buy the same thing myself.
Well done Jim and yes that is the Kit number,
Looks like I made a good choice,
I'm still left wondering if I should fit a relay
I was looking in the archives deep below my home and couldn't find the circuit rating but I think that 5.7 amps isn't that much of a draw. I'm looking for the fuse that protects that circuit to see what it's rated at. No luck yet and it's too cold to go look at the bike in the garage.
Ok, stock horn is rated at 2.5 amps. Circuit is protected by a 10 amp fuse. You should be fine. I don't see anywhere in the factory or user manuals that they have the fuses and their functions documented except for the main fuse itself.
I should look at our own C14 facts page, would have saved me from getting cold..
Fuse information
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=10960.0 (let me know if you can't get to it and I'll reproduce it over here)
Cheers Jim, much appreciated, I saved that fuse break out info which is really handy to have. :clap:
I agree, it looks as if the draw from the PIAA horn set up not so high that it should cause any issues
They sound really good :banana:
I'm going to make this more complicated....apologies in advance.
The other unknown in this project is the horn button. One would assume that the horn button is rated at least what the circuit fuse is rated or more. This may or may not be the case in our bikes. I have seen discussions on adding aftermarket horns that the button/switch may not last as long due to the added current draw. However, it's still only about half what the circuit can support. I think you're the type of rider that leans on the horn all the time, this might be something to think about. I might use mine a couple of times a year if that so I think having a switch issue is very low. I'm going to go with those horns in the spring. They're only $45 or so from Amazon.
Quote from: virginiajim on February 26, 2016, 04:24:24 PM
I'm going to make this more complicated....apologies in advance.
The other unknown in this project is the horn button. One would assume that the horn button is rated at least what the circuit fuse is rated or more. This may or may not be the case in our bikes. I have seen discussions on adding aftermarket horns that the button/switch may not last as long due to the added current draw. However, it's still only about half what the circuit can support. I think you're the type of rider that leans on the horn all the time, this might be something to think about. I might use mine a couple of times a year if that so I think having a switch issue is very low. I'm going to go with those horns in the spring. They're only $45 or so from Amazon.
i rarely use my horn (no inuendo intended ) :grin: at least now on the few occasions I do give it a blast I know that I'll be taken notice of :yes:
A horn used correctly is an excellent way of trying to ensure your presence is noticed. It's main (only?) purpose should be along the lines of "Excuse me old chap, I'm here and I really would like you to know that. I think you may not have noticed me, as you are looking the other way, and I really would prefer you not to pull out". :smiley: Not, "Get the **** out of my way" or "What the **** do you think you are doing".
So, yes, I use mine fairly regularly. These have been added to my shopping list. Still in two minds over the relay/no relay debate.
Installing a relay certainly won't hurt it. Just a bit more wiring to sort out.
Quote from: virginiajim on February 26, 2016, 09:50:41 PM
Installing a relay certainly won't hurt it. Just a bit more wiring to sort out.
I have looked into installation of a relay by watching youtube............I am learning about electrics you see :mfr_lol:
If i get really stuck I'm sure Debs will be along to tell me that I'm a useless plonker :mfr_lol:
Quote from: O.C. on February 26, 2016, 10:07:31 PM
I have looked into installation of a relay by watching youtube............I am learning about electrics you see :mfr_lol:
If i get really stuck I'm sure Debs will be along to tell me that I'm a useless plonker :mfr_lol:
Given the figures quoted by Jim's excellent research (original horn = 2.5A, fuse = 10A, dual horn = 5.7A) you won't need to install a relay :smiley:
But it's always handy to know for future use! :smiley:
Cheers
Paul B.
good news Paul .....no more research for me then, I can just toot my way around the country :mfr_lol:
Won't this fit?
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271960705093&alt=web
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Quote from: shaggs147 on February 27, 2016, 08:51:28 AM
Won't this fit?
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271960705093&alt=web
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:mfr_lol: Compressor in top-box, horns behind fairing... Simples! :smiley:
Cheers
Paul B.
Ah good thinking. ... and a hose tapped off the tank for inflating tyres.... and a dump valve at the back of the tank for instant turbo boost..... nurse I need my pills
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Quote from: shaggs147 on February 27, 2016, 09:08:53 AM
Ah good thinking. ... and a hose tapped off the tank for inflating tyres.... and a dump valve at the back of the tank for instant turbo boost..... nurse I need my pills
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LMAO :punk: :punk: :punk:
excellent :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
I fitted Murphs HF80 horns to the 1400.
They are way louder than stock but not silly loud.
Fitted some cheap horns bought from Hein Gericke to the 1000 and they are loud as :censored:.
Would like to get another pair as they are serious attention getters.