My 21 year old son has just paid loads of money to take his full motorbike test. Before Easter he bought a fantastic mint conditiron Honda Hornet, but of course he needs a 47 bhp restrictor kit.
I rode it for him to DK motors before Easter and paid for the certificates and kit to be fitted. They had to order one. 4 weeks later nothing, people they are ordering from have failed to supply them.
So I take it to another dealer who orders it and I pay up front (Had refund from D,K, who could not have been better in apologising. It was not their fault) Same thing is happening again, the manufactorers have failed to deliver to date (7 days ago took it to new garage)
My son has missed out on two bank holidays Easter and May. He has lost a months tax and insurance, and is now totally peed off and is selling the bike.
This is certainly the way to attract new riders and keep the motor cycle industry vibrant. I really feel for him.
The legislation traps him as you cannot just go out and fit one of the restrictors- even though you can get one off e bay. You need the certification and recording of the fitting to ensure insurance is valid.
That really sucks about the tax & insurance, but I don't think he should sell the bike. There will be more chances for him to get out on it..
Couldn't you have bought one off eBay and then given that to the dealer to fit and then let them certificate the installation.
Agree with Mr Wolf on this one, can't see a problem doing it that way
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https://www.gov.uk/motorcycle-practical-test/rules-for-mopeds-and-motorcycles-used-in-the-practical-riding-test (https://www.gov.uk/motorcycle-practical-test/rules-for-mopeds-and-motorcycles-used-in-the-practical-riding-test)
Sub-category A2 (standard motorcycle)
Sub-category A2 motorcycles used for tests must:
be a solo motorcycle
be at least 395cc
be between 25kW and 35kW engine power
have a power to weight ratio no more than 0.2kW/kg
If the engine power of the motorcycle has been restricted to fit sub-category A2, the normal unrestricted power can't be more than double its new restricted power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB600F (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB600F)
I didn't realise stock Hornet 600's were "that powerful" (on paper...)
I am given to believe that you need the official certificates which are agreed with dept of Transport and Insurance. I can get one off ebay but the Govt have licensed only certain companies to do the certificates, so if he was stopped or had an accident the insurance would not recognise a dealer giving a certificate. The dealer has to enter the certificate on a data base one goes to the insurance company and my son will keep the other
This is (If I have been told correctly) they have you by the unmentionables
I believe it's the fitting that needs to be licenced.
The kit can be purchased anywhere.
Besides this, it is unlikely it would be detected unless involved in a serious accident or subjected to a VOSA check (highly unlikely) and even then if you have proof of fitting it would be for a court to decide if it was fitted/legal, and knowing the justice system of the UK it would come down on the side of proof it had been done in good faith, particularly if documented.
Just to simplify my previous post. The bike in question is more powerful than is allowed by law for an A2 license holder.
Therefore a 47 HP restrictor kit simply does not exist.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/ (http://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/)
Hi Andy
I know what that web site says and a lot refers to the bike you use when taking your test
The 2006 Honda Hornet CB600 F-6 Shows the KW Max Net Power on the V5 under Vehicle Details
Section P2 this shows on the registration document from DVLC it is 71 KW so well within the 47 restrictor regs.
I must admit the rules are really confusing, and you have to look and get evidence of your BHP or KW to know what applies.
Really appreciate the post and link
Best Wishes
Just curious but why is the restrictor kit required? Is it because of your son's age? If so, at what age is the restrictor no longer required?
And of course I have to ask: can you just take it off as soon as it is 'certified'?
Sorry but I am in the US and not familiar with any of these types of restrictions / requirements. Here we let anyone who can ride a motorcycle (min. age is usually 16 and must have a motorcycle license but that is a simple test) ride anything that is street legal. As the joke goes: 'Yes, that is a good idea to buy your son a ZX 1400 for his [last] birthday.'
Brian
Quote from: rippers on May 02, 2014, 01:56:13 PM
My 21 year old son has just paid loads of money to take his full motorbike test. Before Easter he bought a fantastic mint conditiron Honda Hornet, but of course he needs a 47 bhp restrictor kit.
I rode it for him to DK motors before Easter and paid for the certificates and kit to be fitted. They had to order one. 4 weeks later nothing, people they are ordering from have failed to supply them.
So I take it to another dealer who orders it and I pay up front (Had refund from D,K, who could not have been better in apologising. It was not their fault) Same thing is happening again, the manufactorers have failed to deliver to date (7 days ago took it to new garage)
My son has missed out on two bank holidays Easter and May. He has lost a months tax and insurance, and is now totally peed off and is selling the bike.
This is certainly the way to attract new riders and keep the motor cycle industry vibrant. I really feel for him.
The legislation traps him as you cannot just go out and fit one of the restrictors- even though you can get one off e bay. You need the certification and recording of the fitting to ensure insurance is valid.
Hi BDF
This is our European Union who have decided that new riders must have their bikes restricted.In my son's case he is 20 and has passed his test which allows him to ride certain bikes up to 47KW for 2 years then he can hace the restrictor taken off.
It is very complicated legislation, hence the posts.
if you are really curious just google which bikes can you ride on A2 driving licence restricted.
You will then see how debatable the legislation is on what you can and cannot do. I even have Honda dealerships saying you can, and one dealership (Not Honda) saying you cannot.
Today I looked at the Registration document and it clearly says the bike is 71KW so it appears we can.
Anyway it has really put my lad off and tonight he has put the bike on E bay and is really peed off.
Yes, complicated, convoluted and expensive, or at least the training at that site is expensive. Thanks for the link.
Clearly there is a pretty big difference in our two countries (or between the US and the EU?) in this regard. We in the US are noting the increasing and seemingly draconian changes in the driving rules and laws of Canada over recent years.
Sorry to hear of regulations turning your son away from motorcycling though.
Brian
Quote from: rippers on May 06, 2014, 09:32:27 PM
Hi BDF
This is our European Union who have decided that new riders must have their bikes restricted.In my son's case he is 20 and has passed his test which allows him to ride certain bikes up to 47KW for 2 years then he can hace the restrictor taken off.
It is very complicated legislation, hence the posts.
if you are really curious just google which bikes can you ride on A2 driving licence restricted.
You will then see how debatable the legislation is on what you can and cannot do. I even have Honda dealerships saying you can, and one dealership (Not Honda) saying you cannot.
Today I looked at the Registration document and it clearly says the bike is 71KW so it appears we can.
Anyway it has really put my lad off and tonight he has put the bike on E bay and is really peed off.
Quote from: rippers on May 06, 2014, 05:11:10 PM
Hi Andy
I know what that web site says and a lot refers to the bike you use when taking your test
The 2006 Honda Hornet CB600 F-6 Shows the KW Max Net Power on the V5 under Vehicle Details
Section P2 this shows on the registration document from DVLC it is 71 KW so well within the 47 restrictor regs.
I must admit the rules are really confusing, and you have to look and get evidence of your BHP or KW to know what applies.
Really appreciate the post and link
Best Wishes
Thanks for the kind words :-) working in kW the maximum allowed for an A2 license is 35.
If the bike is rated at 71 on the V5 then it's more than double the power limit so isn't eligible for restricting for an A2 license holder :-(
Hi Andy
I do need to thank you as you are right. Which ever way I look at this it does not fit.
My lad went out and got this after I told him to get a 600 Bandit. It has proved a very expensive mistake at 3k. The machine is mint and has 1yrs tax and MOT.
I feel for him and last night he put it on ebay. He has scrimped and saved to get it and the insurance a new lid boots etc.
I think the people who do the training should have explained this to him, as his instructor knew he was going to get a Hornet. But the pre 2006 models were less bhp.
A valuable lesson learned.