What batteries go into the TPS, im going to get this done over the next 2 weeks as I need a back tyre and my front batteries keep flashing up .
I will put a how to on here with pics if anyone is interested
they are CR2032, but the ones you take out will have tabs on them and I haven't managed to find the exact same ones anywhere else. There are some quite similar and could easily be "adjusted" to fit
thanks , I looked into this last year and sure I saw tabbed ones somewhere
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VARTA-QUALITY-LAPTOP-PC-CMOS-BIOS-BATTERY-CELL-CR2032-3V-WITH-SOLDER-TABS-SOLDER-/321141658009?pt=UK_Computing_LaptopsAccessories_LaptopBatteries&hash=item4ac588d199
one per wheel ??
Yup. One per wheel. You will have to bend the tabs about, a bit to get them to fit in the TPS casing
the only thing is with the tabbed ones they all look cheap I dont want to be doing this again in 12 months, the untabbed ones are duracell
The voltage should be 3.30 volts with no 3-volt, so watch x purchase. :wink:
MGvalerio. :laugh:
my angled tyre valves arrived today from murphs kits in the states, so my plan is to take both tyres off using some 24 inch tyre levers and rim protectors ive just bought, put new batts in the tps and try and refit the tyres myself , should be fun . !!!
Are you having three Weetabix first. Let us know if the battery change worked out ok.
Quote from: Simmo on April 23, 2014, 03:00:54 PM
Are you having three Weetabix first. Let us know if the battery change worked out ok.
yes you may well be right , changing big bike tyres yourself is no mean feat im told , plus im gonna need a decent tyre compressor to reseal the bead which I don't have , but im prepared to give it a go and admit defeat if that happens.
well ive changed my battery in the TPS and installed the angle tyre valve and success :clap:
interesting note , the volts in my old battery was only 2.95 v and showing errors all the time and the new one is showing 3.3v, so there is very little margin for battery performance !
these angles valves are soooo much easier to use !
the new valves are made by the same co that made the originals ( LDL) so they are a genuine fit
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Nice bead breaker :yes:
Where did you get the right angle valves from?
The human imagination has no limits, as well as the focus in this case, bravo Viper.
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MGvalerio. :popcorn:
If only Kawasaki had the forethought to fit them as standard. Nice result.
Quote from: Debs on May 06, 2014, 01:49:59 AM
Where did you get the right angle valves from?
got them from here debs , bought a few things from murph over the years. Just beware that the site does not calculate uk postage, he charged me 10 bucks for that.
the valves were posted straight through the letterbox with no duties to pay , as was my battery eliminator for my gopro, maybe royal mail are going soft or I was just lucky
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/
Viper, did you get the tyres reseated ?
Quote from: viper on May 06, 2014, 09:38:39 AM
got them from here debs , bought a few things from murph over the years. Just beware that the site does not calculate uk postage, he charged me 10 bucks for that.
the valves were posted straight through the letterbox with no duties to pay , as was my battery eliminator for my gopro, maybe royal mail are going soft or I was just lucky
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/
I have a Go Pro Hero 3+ coming my way on friday, what and where did you get the battery eliminator?
Alan
What is a battery eliminator?
For what it is worth: you can remove and replace the TPS sensors with the wheels and tires still on the bike. All it takes is a pair of woodworking clamps and some blocks of wood; the bead is broken with the clamps and the tire bead held away from the wheel rim with blocks of wood until only about 70 degrees of tire is left in the wheel's bead well right over the sensor. Then the clamps can be used to push the tire to and past the sensor, which can then be removed.
Both sensors can be removed from the bike and new batteries installed and then everything put back together in just over an hour. Of course, a compressor is needed to re-seat one bead and re-inflate the tire.
I have a series of photos of this but am in the middle of trying to straighten out my photo hosting site. If anyone is interested, I can post the photos sometime in the future.
Brian
Quote from: viper on May 05, 2014, 09:25:31 PM
well ive changed my battery in the TPS and installed the angle tyre valve and success :clap:
interesting note , the volts in my old battery was only 2.95 v and showing errors all the time and the new one is showing 3.3v, so there is very little margin for battery performance !
these angles valves are soooo much easier to use !
Quote from: BDF on May 06, 2014, 04:28:54 PM
For what it is worth: you can remove and replace the TPS sensors with the wheels and tires still on the bike. All it takes is a pair of woodworking clamps and some blocks of wood; the bead is broken with the clamps and the tire bead held away from the wheel rim with blocks of wood until only about 70 degrees of tire is left in the wheel's bead well right over the sensor. Then the clamps can be used to push the tire to and past the sensor, which can then be removed.
Both sensors can be removed from the bike and new batteries installed and then everything put back together in just over an hour. Of course, a compressor is needed to re-seat one bead and re-inflate the tire.
I have a series of photos of this but am in the middle of trying to straighten out my photo hosting site. If anyone is interested, I can post the photos sometime in the future.
Brian
hi brian , that's a great post ! I read about your clamp method over on the comcours forum where I think you are the go to technical guy. I used it on my back tyre and it works just fine.
however I still had to take it off to get my tyre shop to reseal the bead , we did try a 130 psi compressor with a tank with the wheel on the bike but it wasn't having it
resealing the bead was the hardest bit of the process, next time I may try the rachet strap around the tyre with our 130psi compressor. taking the wheel off is so easy it may as well come off
Quote from: The Wolf on May 06, 2014, 02:12:17 PM
What is a battery eliminator?
a battery eliminator is a way of directlt charging the go pro whilst on the move. It goes into the go pro instead of your standard battery and has a wire coming out of the back , the wire can then be feed through a grommet through the larger backdoor of the camera , giving you waterproof charging. The eliminator needs a 4v power supply so you need the sort that from the bike.
don't go buying one as I have 2 ! I paid about £20 for each one, ive got one spare
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Thanks. I mount my own tires (easy boys!) but have always thought that it was tough for the folks who do not do that, which I believe is most people who own a C-14 (GTR 1400 on this side of the pond). There are places / people who will put new batteries in the sensors but the person who does not have a tire mounting method is really stuck. So I fiddled around and came up with a way to do it with two wood clamps; new they are about $25 (US) each so it is pretty reasonable in cost, and it is really quite fast to do.
I have done quite a few of these and so far I have not had any problem re- seating the bead. I clean the tire bead and the wheel bead seating groove, then lube the entire bead with rubber lube (I use NAPA stuff but I do not think that will do you any good in the UK- just use whatever you folks normally use to mount tires). If the tire bead won't quite touch the shoulder of the wheel, I find that just pulling on that area of the tire fairly gently will make it touch and the tire will build air pressure. Once you are building pressure in the tire, it should seat before 60 PSI certainly and most of them seat at under 50 PSI I find.
Brian
Quote from: viper on May 06, 2014, 05:44:39 PM
hi brian , that's a great post ! I read about your clamp method over on the comcours forum where I think you are the go to technical guy. I used it on my back tyre and it works just fine.
however I still had to take it off to get my tyre shop to reseal the bead , we did try a 130 psi compressor with a tank with the wheel on the bike but it wasn't having it
resealing the bead was the hardest bit of the process, next time I may try the rachet strap around the tyre with our 130psi compressor. taking the wheel off is so easy it may as well come off
just to show the Clamp method , I got my TPS out today in minutes with no tyre levers before my tyre guy fitted a PR4
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That is exactly how I finagled the sensors out of my bike with wood clamps. http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=16850.msg207449#msg207449
And the Chinese made wood clamps I used look almost identical to the <probably> Chinese made wood clamps you used. :-)
And that looks like what we call a 2 X 4 under the wheel; a standard piece of construction lumber made of pine and measuring a nominal 2 inches by 4 inches, although they really measure 1 1/2" X 3 1/2".
Brian
Quote from: viper on June 02, 2014, 06:19:05 PM
just to show the Clamp method , I got my TPS out today in minutes with no tyre levers before my tyre guy fitted a PR4
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For battery replacement, don't bother trying to find one with suitable tabs:
- There are none available with solder tabs at the right angle so you'd have to bend and bodge what you find
- The bulk of any tabs that have been bent around to fit will make it difficult to close the cover on the module
- The profile of the tabbed version will have square or only slightly chamfered bottom edge and wont fit the casing
Buy vanilla CR 2032's with the standard chamfered profile on the bottom edge. Use some fine sandpaper to key the surface of the battery at the points on positive and negative sides roughly where the terminals will be connected ( on clock face, lets say 10 to 10).
Prepare two lengths of small gauge wire measuring about 10mm and tin each end. Tin the points on the battery where these wires will be attached, use a lower power soldering iron and limit the heat at the solder point as much as possible to avoid damaging any internal components of the battery. I found that I only needed the lightest touch to tin the battery, and you will not need to put more than a 2mm blob to secure, provided that you properly keyed the surface first.
The rest is plain sailing. Solder the wires on the battery and then onto the circuit board terminals. I soldered wire to terminal pointing away from the battery compartment so I could lose any excess wire in the terminal channels.
Hi city slicker and welcome to the forum.
I did the battery replacement some time ago( 2000 miles) and didn't encounter any of the problems you have suggested, yes the tabs were not in ideal position but soon bent into shape.
Excellent work, City Slicker!
Quote from: viper on May 06, 2014, 09:38:39 AM
got them from here debs , bought a few things from murph over the years. Just beware that the site does not calculate uk postage, he charged me 10 bucks for that.
the valves were posted straight through the letterbox with no duties to pay , as was my battery eliminator for my gopro, maybe royal mail are going soft or I was just lucky
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/
I bought those from murths but they refunded my money after 4 weeks with no explanation. I guess they no longer have them :sad:
This was an email i received from them when i ordered mine.......paid import duties as total came to over $50......... :angry:
"The export shipping charge for your order_318**________ is ___$10_______. We export using US First Class mail; this gives us a tracking number and is generally fast through customs. If you wish to cancel your order please let me know. This amount does not include any duties, customs or tariffs collected by the addressees' government.
We cannot bill your card or PayPal account for additional charges once your order has been placed.
We will not supply any false data on customs forms. If you wish to complete the order follow the instructions below
Any export order that we do not receive shipping payment for in two weeks is deleted.
To pay your shipping charges follow the instructions below.
Go to:
1. www.murphskits.com
2. Login to the site.
3. On the left hand side of the page, you will see "products"
Select:
"International Shipping"
4. When this page loads, it will read:
"Additional Shipping"
5. From the drop down menu, select the amount needed.
Click on the "Add to Cart" Button.
6. Once that page has loaded select: "Checkout" and complete the order.
Sorry for the Inconvenience,
Gary Murphy
The Angle valves are made by a company called LDL who made the original ones for Kawasaki , I wonder if they can be sourced direct or maybe one of our American members would like to supply us if they can be purchased stateside.
Angled Valve stems £11 at http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251294653151
Quote from: City Slicker on July 10, 2014, 06:06:54 PM
Angled Valve stems £11 at http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251294653151
this is a very different product to what we are reffering to in this post, the ones we are using are fitted to the tyre pressure sensor that goes inside the tyre , its specific OEM fitment rather than the aftermarket retro ones , I do appreciate your help though
Anyone have a site for the 'proper' angled valves - I was going to order a set for when I have to do this.
I only get error messages when the bike is left out in the cold ie sub 2C so not overly concerned at this moment byt want to be prepared for the next tire change.
Murphskits in the USA.
Boomer via Tapatalk
http://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?cPath=130_136&products_id=417
Boomer via Tapatalk
I thought I read earier in the post that Murph's stopped doing them mate?
So didn't looks :)
Thanks Boomer
They're still on his site under Tools and Maintenance for the C14. You can always email and ask him...
Thanks Guys, will do....
Quote from: virginiajim on December 13, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
They're still on his site under Tools and Maintenance for the C14. You can always email and ask him...
They are on the site but no longer available. I ordered some a few months back. After 2 weeks they refunded my money with no explanation. :no:
Quote from: Débs on December 13, 2014, 04:22:54 PM
They are on the site but no longer available. I ordered some a few months back. After 2 weeks they refunded my money with no explanation. :no:
id still email and ask , I spoke to him a while ago and he was grumbling about postage costs to uk and said its the last time he would do it , maybe he has calmed down so just ask, LDL still make these
Maybe we can work something out with that. I've sent an email to him.
was following the discussion and maybe we could place a kind of group order from uk, he could be willing to send us directly
or we could ask nicely our usa colleague to maybe do that for us :ohplease: and transfer the money straight to jim instaed...
just a thought...
it is a bit of an ask - but I would be happy to go with that if our US cousin can live with it :)
He hasn't responded to me as yet but I would be more than willing to do that. I prefer gold, though.
Gold,.... what's wrong with Roubles? Oh,.. wait ....... :help:
Quote from: Boomer on December 17, 2014, 10:43:01 PM
Gold,.... what's wrong with Roubles? Oh,.. wait ....... :help:
:mfr_lol:..............................When traveling try one of these Boomer.............................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qqfsQGYus
Murph still sells the 90 degree kits. He told me that they have two sets in stock as of yesterday. I've asked can he get more. Can I have a rough count on how many here would like a set? I'm not promising anything at the moment as his communications is about one email per day and it's painfully slow. Assuming we can work this out, I'd get a certain number from him and then ship to one of you in one package. I wish I knew where he got them as I'd go direct but I haven't had any success in that regard.
With that being said, the stocker will fit in an 8mm hole and the length is a good 13mm, so really any 90 degree stem should work with the 1st gen TPMS used in most of our bikes through most years assuming it has the proper gasket and dimensions. Not that it makes that much difference but the threads are .80 mm. The second gen TPMS that Kwakers has been using to replace the 1st gen will not work with a 90 degree stem. Unfortunately it appears that most stems give the diameter of what hole they fit but not the length.
This would work, I think, but it's not long enough based on the thread count. I count about 15 ridges on the stocker.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/191248860604
I believe that it would be less expensive finding something in the UK that would fit. You now have the specs. You would have to physically measure whatever you decide to use and someone would need to experiment on the fitment. Hopefully this helps.
maybe some one who has their TPS units out of the bike currentlt should take a punt on the generic ones available on Ebay, im sure there is one that could fit
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-BLACK-90-Degree-angle-motorbike-motorcycle-tyre-tire-valve-11-3mm-KAWASAKI-/170931732226?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item27cc533f02
this next one has the thread length correct at 12mm( I have an old straight one to check it against) if the thread PITCH is correct , we have a winner!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alligator-Alloy-Motorcycle-Tyre-Valves-2-90-Degree-8-3mm-Sliver-High-Quality-/281313286287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item417f94188f
I don't think that 8.3mm is going to work. I checked mine against my gauges and it's a tight 8mm and those on ebay don't appear to be long enough based on what my straight OEM looks like. I have a picture of mine that I'm trying to downsize to upload here. I'll attach it when I can figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Length of the stocker is about 15mm from end to the bottom of the metal collar.
Got an email from an off road dealer that sells accs mainly for KLR650's. They have a 90 degree attachment that you use when airing up. I get their ad emails weekly, so if anyone is interested, I will post the link the next time I get an email. Just press the adapter onto the valve, and lock into place for airing up. I don't really mind lying on the garage floor to attach my compressor hose. Makes me feel closer to the bike. Hard to get up though, at my age. Oh well, guess that those 90 degree adapters may help after all...
Merry Christmas to all, on your side of the pond.... tomp
Quote from: viper on December 21, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
maybe some one who has their TPS units out of the bike currentlt should take a punt on the generic ones available on Ebay, im sure there is one that could fit
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-BLACK-90-Degree-angle-motorbike-motorcycle-tyre-tire-valve-11-3mm-KAWASAKI-/170931732226?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item27cc533f02
this next one has the thread length correct at 12mm( I have an old straight one to check it against) if the thread PITCH is correct , we have a winner!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alligator-Alloy-Motorcycle-Tyre-Valves-2-90-Degree-8-3mm-Sliver-High-Quality-/281313286287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item417f94188f
I think you will find neither will work Niell without modifying slightly with an adaptor.
Only option is to find a strap, so the sensor can fit around the inner rim. eliminating the need for special valves. I stuck mine to the inner rim on my trip round France earlier this year and they performed brill, until one came unstuck..........i hoovered it up when home :whistling:
Quote from: Ant on December 24, 2014, 08:00:01 AM
I think you will find neither will work Niell without modifying slightly with an adaptor.
Only option is to find a strap, so the sensor can fit around the inner rim. eliminating the need for special valves. I stuck mine to the inner rim on my trip round France earlier this year and they performed brill, until one came unstuck..........i hoovered it up when home :whistling:
I beg to differ, if you look at my pictures on page one you will see the actual part that screws onto the new 90 degree valve , the part that clamps the actual tps to the rim, as long as the thread pitch and diameter is the same I cant see a reason why it wont work.
has anyone got that part and can send it to me, the mushroom shape that screws onto the valve
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I thought you bought some off me ?
just remembered it wasn't the female part.....nicely ask Doebag if you can borrow one off his smashed bike....
ive just purchased one of these angled valves, if someone can get the female part to me then maybe we can find a solution to help members without sending off to the states
Well, you know what the thread pitch is...at least on US sensors. Not sure if they are different in the UK. And you know the length. If you can't come up with something I'm seeing what I can come up with from Murph and then send to you guys.
You could save the hassle and buy them from Europe
http://www.mynetmoto.com/motorradreifen_divers.cfm/ActiveTab/shopping/ActiveLink/2/motorradreifen_divers.cfm?ActiveTab=shopping&ActiveLink=2&Search=1&category=88&StartRow=0
But I got mine from Murph!
Quote from: Rotorbike on January 01, 2015, 09:58:12 PM
You could save the hassle and buy them from Europe
http://www.mynetmoto.com/motorradreifen_divers.cfm/ActiveTab/shopping/ActiveLink/2/motorradreifen_divers.cfm?ActiveTab=shopping&ActiveLink=2&Search=1&category=88&StartRow=0
But I got mine from Murph!
is the listing so that we can buy just the angled part, is it compatible? or are you suggesting we buy the whole set up
LDL Technology are the company that manufacturer the TPS on the GTR1400. On their website http://www.tire-watch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=146 they name various companies that distribute their product. My Net Moto sell the TPS by parts on their site.
The part that is required is the 90 degree valve about half way down the page.
But you can check with them or go to Murph.
thanks a great link rotorbike, many thanks