Makes you cringe :shocked:
http://youtu.be/Z3-T2u-bc0g
The "slow" rider didn't cause the crash. It was the twat undertaking that was at fault IMO
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I bet that :censored: hurt. Undoubtedly the riders fault who failed to judge the speed of the traffic in front of them.
Quote from: Burchy on April 10, 2014, 01:13:44 PM
The "slow" rider didn't cause the crash. It was the twat undertaking that was at fault IMO
+1 from me
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Probably posted by a mate of the twat that barrelled into the back of the other bike.. hence the bias as to blame :rolleyes:
Aren't the majority of accidents caused by lack of concentration and inexperience ???
Are you sure in wasn't that Sanderson's brother from the Cat and Fiddle smash ?
IoM just attracts dicks like that!
I've watched that video a few times now and put myself on all three bikes in my head! I am with the opinion that maybe the slow rider didn't cause the crash , the person that slammed the anchors on from speed was the camera bike, the slow rider had room to the right of him but used poor judgement/ observations maybe neither as the other two bikes were going so fast. The bike that seems to be under taking was actually just using the longest braking line as in the bike farthest away from him.
The camera bike had room to go through that gap but braked very heavy, hence the trailing bike taking the inside line.
Obviously this is one of those situations where a combination of factors has caused mayhem and I wouldn't jump up and down on any of those riders for their actions. If your looking for the root cause of this accident it is speed and reaction time so let's not demonize any of those probably quite traumatized riders.
I've never been one for advocating a speed limit on the IOM, TT Sunday but to stop this kind of thing it's the only real option.
Blindness...?
The street is no racetrack ...
Anyway, bad evidence against the second `pilot`...
When they where doing 80-90ish you are ok then the speed shot up to 130 that's where you are In trouble if you come across other traffic on a narrow road , the second bike is wanting to keep up but does not have a clear as view as the lead bike , high speed on narrow roads is always very dangerous :2guns:
You can NEVER blame the slower rider. If you want to travel at 100+ mph ( and I do, I am not anti speeding) it is your responsibility to ensure that your proposed route is clear for the the speed you are travelling at. You have to be responsible for your own actions, whatever happened to the maxim of expect the unexpected
Coman
I think the blame is on both sides.. The slow rider didn't check his mirror to see the faster bikes coming up, plus the rider who went in the back of him didn't judge his own stopping distance very well.
Definitely the fault of the rider who tail ended the slower bike.
Too fast for the conditions as evidenced by the fact that he could not stop in time to avoid the collision.
What would he have done if the car pulled out to avoid something on the road?
Additionally, the camera bike managed to slow to avoid the collision so why couldn't he?
If you hit someone from behind it's your fault unless you can prove otherwise,... and that's not easy.
I hope they are both Ok but given that impact I suspect both were at best hospitalised.
Quote from: Debs on April 11, 2014, 12:42:47 PM
I think the blame is on both sides.. The slow rider didn't check his mirror to see the faster bikes coming up, plus the rider who went in the back of him didn't judge his own stopping distance very well.
totally agree.
I don't think checking his mirror would have helped all that much. Having ridden the TT's Mountain road on my GS, at the legal side of the speed limit, those faster riders are on you in an instant even when you're constantly checking your mirrors as I was (because I was thinking something exactly like this might happen).
The thought of riding the TT course when the road is so full of absolute tossers ( in the most literal sense) leaves me completely cold... no ta :no:
The only one to blame for that mess is the fast guy barreling through the middle .... The chaps he hits is minding his own business and can take no blame for any of that whatsoever .... It's no different to you riding along the road for a nice sunny Sunday afternoon bimble and someone rides or drives into the back of you .. End of !!
Quote from: Rusty on April 12, 2014, 09:46:02 PM
The only one to blame for that mess is the fast guy barreling through the middle .... The chaps he hits is minding his own business and can take no blame for any of that whatsoever .... It's no different to you riding along the road for a nice sunny Sunday afternoon bimble and someone rides or drives into the back of you .. End of !!
You do have a point there Rusty.. I won't argue with you :001_icon16:
I hope both of them recovered ok.
I'm with Rusty on this one as well.
I.O.M. TT part of our biking history, so why knock something until you've tried it and 81,000 bikers are not dicks or tossers and where else can you go for a bike meet like that without getting ripped off. Back to who's to blame, has anybody really looked at the video, when the fast bike slowed down, he was doing about 30 - 35mph, so when the slow rider pulled out without looking or indicating, also, if you pull out, shouldn't you speed up, not put your brakes on (not once, but twice). Plus on the TT mountain road, there is no speed limit and is also one way, so you ride, drive, accordingly and its also signposted keep left. When you join a motorway, you speed up, not slow down, when you change lanes, you speed up, not brake. Also, when you are on the autobahn with no speed limits, which is only two lanes, you don't pull out without looking or you will have a Porsche up your backside, and you will be to blame for undue care and attention, so I don't think the fast approaching biker could do much else unfortunately, when someone else pulls out in front of them.
I agree with debs
but im thinking even if the slower rider had studied his mirrors he wouldn't have been able to see the speeding bike way behind him and may have instead have focussed on camera bike
the camera bike positioned himself in the only bit of road available to his speeding pal but obviously daren't overtake slower bike as he might have pulled out even further
you can say 3 things about this accident apportioning blame
if the slower bike had used his mirrors he would not have overtook and there would have been no accident
if the camera bike having seen the slower bike pull out, tucked in behind him instead of attempting to pass him dangerously far side of the road almost blind corner etc then there would have been enough room for the speeding bike to pass without hitting anyone
but at the end of the day the speeding bike was going far far too fast and its almost cringe worthy watching that
I had the pleasure today of following 8 hypersports litre bikes on a road used regularly by speeding bikers
watching them perform up to 180 mph!! nearly hitting each other as they pulled out like that slower bike only for their mates behind to slam on and nearly rear end them was crazy
no wonder there are so many deaths/accidents
You were following at 180 ???? tut tut
:mfr_lol: :popcorn:
Quote from: Ant on July 26, 2014, 08:23:58 PM
You were following at 180 ???? tut tut
:mfr_lol: :popcorn:
What was he riding?????
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Quote from: Zebedee on July 26, 2014, 09:02:05 PM
What was he riding?????
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A missile ? :whistling:
im doing 140 and they come flying past me as if im going backwards!!!anyway that's all stopped cos on the same bit of road coming home solo, taking it easy, about 110 ish I got nicked
doing me for 100 in a 60
sounds fast, but its a wide open road plenty of visibility and I know it like the back of my hand, I know all the junctions and even most of the field exits with tractors waiting to kill you
still, its the magistrates that will be led to believe I was risking life and limb and I will be looking at a ban :cry:
and a fine in excess of 500 quid