Kawasaki 1400 GTR

1400 GTR - All Models => 1400GTR Discussion => Topic started by: Debs on May 15, 2013, 04:18:49 PM

Title: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Debs on May 15, 2013, 04:18:49 PM
Broken bracket on frame  :censored:..... Just been putting baby away in her garage and as I lifted her to put on the center stand and I heard a crack  :censored:. Because she is so heavy I use the rear guard from mcenterprises to make it easier to lift...

Well the bracket that the suspension adjuster & passenger foot rest all fix to has broken.  :censored:

Priced up a new frame and it would be £547.52....  :no:

Ive decided to take the rear frame off, have it welded up and re powder coated...

I can see lots and lots of stress coming on  :sad: :sad:



Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: BigAlan on May 15, 2013, 04:36:28 PM
Debs, it's only stress if you let it be, in reality it's getting to know your bike better, by removing the offending part you will see other nice stuff, and getting in repaired and powder coated will make it look nice and dandy.

And afterwards you can sit back with a coffee and admire a job well done, oh and tell others how you sorted it.

Happy Fettling.

Alan
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Debs on May 15, 2013, 04:43:54 PM
Thank you Alan..

Im just gutted that the complete rear end has to come off just to fix the bracket.

I guess there could be an easier way by just getting it welded while in situ, but I like a job to be done properly  :yes:
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: BigAlan on May 15, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
Looking at it I reckon it could be welded in place provided you can move any wiring and plastic away from the area, you could then simply paint it black as plastic covers the frame anyway.

But it's a personal thing.

I shall be coming down to Poole one day soon and expect to see the flower bike and owner while I am there.

Alan
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: BigAlan on May 15, 2013, 05:03:32 PM
Debs

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-GTR1400-GTR-1400-Concours-2008-Rear-Subframe-Sub-Frame-/330784736805?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4d044e8625

Is this the frame you need?

Alan
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Debs on May 15, 2013, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: BigAlan on May 15, 2013, 05:03:32 PM
Debs

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-GTR1400-GTR-1400-Concours-2008-Rear-Subframe-Sub-Frame-/330784736805?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4d044e8625

Is this the frame you need?

Alan

Yes Alan that is it..

If the frame is covered with plastic, then would it make more sense to just change it?

What do you suggest I do?
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Burchy on May 15, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Get the ebay jobbie and keep life simple
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: shaggs147 on May 15, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
Depends really. If you have a mate who owns a welder I bet it could be done in ten mins in situ.
If you have to pay for the welding though, the frame from ebay would probably work out cheaper.
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Debs on May 15, 2013, 06:48:32 PM
Quote from: shaggs147 on May 15, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
Depends really. If you have a mate who owns a welder I bet it could be done in ten mins in situ.
If you have to pay for the welding though, the frame from ebay would probably work out cheaper.

I don't know anyone who owns a welder..

Think I will go for one from fleabay but not the one Alan listed.. That one has the rear bent and I dont know how easy it would be to straighten it...


Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: shaggs147 on May 15, 2013, 06:57:47 PM

Think I will go for one from fleabay but not the one Alan listed.. That one has the rear bent and I dont know how easy it would be to straighten it...
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Yeh if you have to straighten the one on ebay then it might be as well to take yours to a welder Debs. I would imagine you'd only get charged an hours labour anyway
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: keith on May 15, 2013, 07:01:27 PM
debs take a trip  down to any reputable car body shop,it should be quite an easy job to remove any flammable parts cover the bike with a fire retardant blanket and have your bracket dressed up and mig welded back on, then give it a coat of black smootherite, if you dont ask first you will never know.
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: chauffeurman411 on May 15, 2013, 07:36:24 PM
Well we'll, my 10 plate has corrosion on the same frame just by the welded join, ask Mr K about it, not covered by warranty I was told.  I'll going to rub it down, remove the rust then paint it with Hammerite black
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: keith on May 15, 2013, 07:38:31 PM
i think you will find that the hammerite smooth will do a better job,same protection as the hammerite but with a silky smooth finish from a brush,
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Debs on May 15, 2013, 07:50:38 PM
I took the hanger off and can see the break quite easy...

Ive posted on the Poole Quay Bike Night facebook page in the hope someone can help me.. If I can avoid buying a 2nd hand one I will  :yes:
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Richard on May 15, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Hi Debs

Bad luck with the bracket, look on the bright side - it could have broken of when someone was on the back....

Having had a quick look at the one on mine it is made of steel and as said above anyone who is reasonably handy with a Mig / Mag welder should be able to clean it up and weld it back in place.
Will need the plastic bits taking off within 12" or so, and a large area around it covered to protect from spatter (flying bits of glowing steel). You can get mats made for the job, or a few sheets of leather cut out the back of an old sofa work well.

I would offer to do it, but I am a bit far away

Try your local MOT repair garage or body shop, and if you can strip the bits that are in the way off first the welding will be a 20min job

Richard
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: SirToU on May 15, 2013, 10:33:49 PM
 :gun_bandana:

Ya damaged it!   :-)


Neil
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: alibx11 on May 15, 2013, 11:06:24 PM
Typical Debs, I could have welded it for you but not exactly close to you... I think it would be better welded than buying a secondhand subframe as you could end up buying the same problem. Will  not be a problem for any competent welder though.

Lucky it didn't give with a passenger stepping up unto the bike, could have toppled over.

Good luck with it.

Al.
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: viper on May 16, 2013, 09:02:43 AM
is it steel or aluminium ? ali is difficult to weld
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Richard on May 16, 2013, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: viper on May 16, 2013, 09:02:43 AM
is it steel or aluminium ? ali is difficult to weld

I thought it was going to be Ali as I am sure the Kawa advertising said it was Alloy frame to save weight bla bla bla, but its magnetic so steel it is. Maybe only the main frame is Ali, will have another play with the magnet tonight.

Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Debs on May 16, 2013, 10:39:32 AM
Its steel because the solder joint has a slight showing of rust.
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: mecki on May 16, 2013, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: Richard on May 16, 2013, 10:07:25 AM
I thought it was going to be Ali as I am sure the Kawa advertising said it was Alloy frame to save weight bla bla bla, but its magnetic so steel it is. Maybe only the main frame is Ali, will have another play with the magnet tonight.

Steel is an alloy since it is a mixture of elements (mostly iron and carbon but you can have steel with no iron in it at all). 
What you can find out with a magnet is if a steel contains mainly iron or not.
:smartass:
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: shaggs147 on May 16, 2013, 06:16:48 PM
surely all steel has iron in it else it wouldn't be steel??
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Burchy on May 19, 2013, 08:05:34 PM
steel without iron is not steel
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: shaggs147 on May 20, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
did you sort the frame out Debs?
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Debs on May 20, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: shaggs147 on May 20, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
did you sort the frame out Debs?

Not yet.. A friend is going to do it next month when he gets back from his hols..
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Winston Smith on May 20, 2013, 11:57:00 PM
Get it gaffa tape and zip tied - she'll be right!!
Title: Re: Not A Happy Bunny :(
Post by: Debs on May 21, 2013, 12:39:40 AM
Quote from: Winston Smith on May 20, 2013, 11:57:00 PM
Get it gaffa tape and zip tied - she'll be right!!

I have put 3 strong cable ties on just incase it was to come loose and drop off..  :mfr_lol: