Kawasaki 1400 GTR

1400 GTR - All Models => 1400GTR Discussion => Topic started by: MGvalerio on April 16, 2013, 04:11:31 AM

Title: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: MGvalerio on April 16, 2013, 04:11:31 AM
Time I need to replace the 4 glow plugs in 5/6 hours and always well lit with brain not to make trouble.
Before replacing the glow plugs to Km 24.000, now I'm at 49.000 km

"http://www.youtube.com/embed/5ckxhk1Jn3Q"

MGvalerio. :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: O.C. on April 16, 2013, 07:52:02 AM
definitely a job for my dealer  :yes:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: Boomer on April 16, 2013, 12:10:44 PM
Why replace them? My dealer replaced mine at 25,000 MILES (40,000Km) from new and he said that the old ones looked like new.
Unless you have really strict emissions tests in Italy, you will not know the difference.
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: hurricane on April 16, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
 :agree: Modern platinum plugs don't need to be swapped out early, so long as engine is still burning clean. I had 80,000km on my 2003 FJR before the plugs even looked like deteriorating in the slightest...
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: pistole on April 16, 2013, 03:43:56 PM
- my dealer replace the stock plugs at about 20,000 kms ( 12,000 miles ).

- there was a reddish deposit on the insulator portion of the plug which the mech thought was caused by fuel additives/contaminants. The plug wasn't "worn out" at all , though.

- anyhow , the bike was noticeably smoother when accelerating hard with the new plugs.

- the work was much easier with the use of a specially short plug wrench.
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Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: Lonewolf on April 16, 2013, 09:17:36 PM
I had mine replaced yesterday at the 15k mile service. Not a job I'd attempt myself.
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: Deon on April 17, 2013, 06:36:50 AM
Quote from: Lonewolf on April 16, 2013, 09:17:36 PM
I had mine replaced yesterday at the 15k mile service. Not a job I'd attempt myself.


And ? What did the old plugs look like ?

Deon
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: Lonewolf on April 17, 2013, 08:01:05 PM
No idea, wasn't really interested so didn't ask to see them and to be honest it never even crossed my mind. I was more interested in getting a replacement calliper hanger.
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: BigAlan on April 17, 2013, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: Lonewolf on April 17, 2013, 08:01:05 PM
No idea, wasn't really interested so didn't ask to see them and to be honest it never even crossed my mind. I was more interested in getting a replacement calliper hanger.

See, only half the job, and there are others needing this information, sheeeesh!

:mfr_lol:

Alan
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: coman37 on April 18, 2013, 08:59:59 AM
And if you dont see the old ones, are you really sure that they have been changed ???????

Coman
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: MGvalerio on April 18, 2013, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: coman37 on April 18, 2013, 08:59:59 AM
And if you dont see the old ones, are you really sure that they have been changed ???????

Coman

:whistling: :agree:

MGvalerio. :cool:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: Lonewolf on April 18, 2013, 07:35:04 PM
Quote from: coman37 on April 18, 2013, 08:59:59 AM
And if you dont see the old ones, are you really sure that they have been changed ???????

Coman


You could apply that to anything bike service related, did they really check the hoses for wear, did they really change the TPS under warranty or did they just chance the battery, did they really change all the brake and clutch fluids etc, etc.


I was honestly very impressed with quality of service from the dealer, Autorama and have no reason to doubt their integrity.
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: coman37 on April 18, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
Hi LW,

   I know from your previous posts that you have a well founded trust in the workshop that you use, it was a generic comment as I know lots on here have a well founded distrust of their dealers.

      A good dealer will offer you the old parts so that you both know without stating it that its been done "properly"

Coman
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: 2kwacks on April 18, 2013, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: MGvalerio on April 16, 2013, 04:11:31 AM
Time I need to replace the 4 glow plugs in 5/6 hours and always well lit with brain not to make trouble.
Before replacing the glow plugs to Km 24.000, now I'm at 49.000 km

"http://www.youtube.com/embed/5ckxhk1Jn3Q"

MGvalerio. :sweatdrop:
Mr MGvalerio.. if Mr Kawasaki gave us a bit more room it would make the job a dam site easier :yes: but then the dealers would loose out. but if you have the time and patiences you can save yourself quite a lot of dosh. I never changed the plugs on my gtr never had it long enough. your clip on changing the plugs may persuade others to have ago themselves and due to the lack of space it's very easy to cross thread the plugs :sweatdrop: which then leads to a extremely expensive repair bill. so can I make a suggestion that may save someone from thinking suicidal thoughts if they were strip a plug thread :sad: when I fit plugs, I always put a thin coat of copper grease on the plug threads and seat the plugs without using a ratchet and plug socket. I prefer to be able to feel the plugs screwing in freely, then you know the plugs are not cross threaded. I use a length of garden hose approx 6 inchs long and cut a 3mm slit in the end then slide the hose down over the plug and over the nut part and use the hose to screw the plug into the head. this way it's impossible to cross the threads, any resistance will cause the hose to slip around the plug nut. then when the plug is seated use medium force with the socket and ratchet till the plug bites then apply a bit more pressure and give it a 1/4 turn. I wouldn't like to hear that some poor bugger trying to save a few bob, ended up with cross threading one or more threads in the head :no:

P.S Mr MGvalerio.. see you change your "glow plugs" dose your GTR run on diesel :grin:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: O.C. on April 18, 2013, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: coman37 on April 18, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
Hi LW,

   I know from your previous posts that you have a well founded trust in the workshop that you use, it was a generic comment as I know lots on here have a well founded distrust of their dealers.

      A good dealer will offer you the old parts so that you both know without stating it that its been done "properly"

Coman

Absolutely true Coman  :agree:

I'm as sure as LW that Autorama will not only have done what they were required, but will have gone the 'extra mile'...its what they do....if Carlsberg made Kawasaki dealers   :whistling:  :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: Lonewolf on April 18, 2013, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: coman37 on April 18, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
Hi LW,

   I know from your previous posts that you have a well founded trust in the workshop that you use, it was a generic comment as I know lots on here have a well founded distrust of their dealers.

      A good dealer will offer you the old parts so that you both know without stating it that its been done "properly"

Coman


Yes you are right, but it honestly never occurred to me to ask to look at the plugs. I completely forgot.  :oops:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: Deon on April 19, 2013, 06:19:20 AM
What has happened ( down here ) before is that the dealer replaced the platinum plugs with the cheaper version but charged for the platinum plugs  :oops:    :gun_bandana:

Deon

Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: mecki on April 19, 2013, 08:14:16 AM
Quote from: coman37 on April 18, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
A good dealer will offer you the old parts so that you both know without stating it that its been done "properly"

And how can you be sure those old parts actually came from your bike?  :whistling:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: coman37 on April 19, 2013, 10:14:23 AM
Do you really think dealers keep a stock of used plugs just to fool you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could only be Mecki



Coman
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: pistole on April 19, 2013, 11:03:52 AM
- if your relationship with your mechanic is such that you , by default , will suspect that the work , whatever it was , was even done at all ... then perhaps its time to do all the work by yourself the DIY way.

- imho .

- ... me running for the hills ...

:ninja:

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Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: MGvalerio on April 19, 2013, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: 2kwacks on April 18, 2013, 09:15:39 PM
:

P.S Mr MGvalerio.. see you change your "glow plugs" dose your GTR run on diesel :grin:

Spark plugs Spark plugs. SORRY. :embarrassed:

MGvalerio. :undecided:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: mecki on April 19, 2013, 02:19:33 PM
Quote from: coman37 on April 19, 2013, 10:14:23 AM
Do you really think dealers keep a stock of used plugs just to fool you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could only be Mecki

You may be stupid enough not to keep a stash of old plugs if you ran a workshop and wanted to cheat like that - I would!  :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: coman37 on April 19, 2013, 08:50:10 PM
Yes but if EVERYONE collected their old plugs there would be none available for deception

Once again, It could only be Mecki

Coman
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: 2kwacks on April 19, 2013, 09:29:40 PM
it's not the fact that they may not replace what they said they have :no: that would be a big risk for the dealer to take, it's on your receipt what as been replaced and what you've been charge for. it not worth the risk of them getting caught for a set of plugs or similar for the item which as not been replaced then give you a receipt with that item on which states you've paid for it :nono:  it's more of a concern that damaged is done which may not come to light for 12 months or more, by which case its impossible to prove the damaged was done by the dealer. like in Mr wolfs case, he knows who stripped the thread on the caliper mounting bracket but due to the time that gone by this can't be proved :angry: there are good dealers out there :yes: but I prefer to do my own servicing that way I know its done right. the only person that dose any maintenance on my brake calipers is me :yes: 
Title: Re: Check or replace plugs.
Post by: Boomer on April 22, 2013, 02:52:49 PM
Dealer lies. Dealer goes out of business
Dealer cheats. Dealer goes out of business.
Word of mouth can kill a business fast.
They all get found out sooner or later.

If you have a dealer that you trust, good for you.
I sort of trusted John E Vines but they are no longer a K dealer and I am now doing my own maintenance.