There's a new outlaw in town :biker3: ... tearing up the streets and leaving a chorus of honked horns in his wake...
Does he ride a Badass Harley.... nope
Does he ride a stripped down Street fighter... nope..
He's a middle aged bloke in Textiles and a Hi viz jacket, usually branded with some sort of advanced riding course, riding an Adventure Bike.... and he's a fukking Knobjocky!!!
Seriously the next time i get cut up by one of these wankers i am gonna remove his crash helmet WITHOUT first undoing the strap. :hammer: :censored:
As you'll know if you read my 'Mogs goes up north' topic ... i came across a bunch of these fucknuggets on the way to Windermere... a dozen or so of 'em carving through the traffic, dispite the fact the visability was down to 50 yards and the road was very slippery.
And once again yesterday i was treated to being 'waved' at by some twat on a Ducati multistrada... wearing a Hi Viz Bike Safe jacket!! FFS!!
We were in Leicester to see my daughter and trying to navigate the ring road, now i had to cross 3 lanes to take a turn... I could hear this knob head short shifting through the traffic behind me, so i was carefull when I crossed the lanes... nope Mr Bike safe armed with his Hi Viz decided to ignore my indicator and try to cut round me... only reason I didn't take him out was because Smarty was looking out the back of the car window as he swooped over.... then he had the fookin cheek to wave his arms about!!!! Sheeesh! :hammer:
Anyway... so we are sitting on the M1, in the outside lane on the way home... nose to tail... in the traffic.... there are lots of Bikes about cos of the racing..so I'm looking down to the left hand side fer them filtering... when i notice a bike flashing his lights on the drivers side.... :no: at first i thought it was the plod so i pulled over.... nope... tis 4 arseholes on GS's with the ally panniers on... forcing their way between the crash barrier and the traffic... and guess what!! they are all wearing IAM Hi Viz... :censored: :censored: :censored:
Now I'm getting a tad tired of being lectured by a bunch of sanctimonious, holier than thou, tossers constantly telling me how good they can ride... if this is the general standard then it's no wonder the accident levels are high.
Now before you all have a go at me for being a fast rider, yup I do like to buff the odd slider, but i do it away from traffic, and if I should have an accident it will be my own... no one elses...
Oh and the stoopid tossers on the M1... I have 2 of the crews number plates and I have emailed the IAM this moring to ask what their opinion of that particular method of filtering is.
Ride Safe
Mogs
Mogs,
I do sympathise greatly!
That is the sort of riding that I fully expect to see, daily, in Italy. Particularly with bikes (and scooters...) filtering through traffic anywhere where there's a gap. No consistency etc. on both sides of cars, along the hard shoulder etc.
However, wearing hi viz IAM jackets? Bikers behaving like that In the UK? hmmmmmmmmm. Not expected, and dangerous. :nono:
At least over here I don't think there is an IAM equivalent.... Or at least, I haven't seen any evidence of advanced driving skills so far. :no:
I have to just let it go and keep myself out of trouble. :surrender:
Sympathies with you Mogs ! When choosing the "next" bike after me Tigers I really tried to like the Beem GS/RS1200's. With their presence and comfort I was nearly sold. Thing that got me was a weekend at Touratech HQ in S.Wales - me on me Tiger surrounded by 99% (honestly) Beem GS/RS12's and their riders with the aforementioned panniers, hi-vis, 4 x spotlights on fairing/crashbars and the IAM roundall on the screen. Their attitude of "superiority" made me not want to buy one and get stigmatised the same.
On my weekly commute I gave up "nodding" to em on the opposite cariageway - I never get a response.
Have a better Tuesday eh!
The world is full of tossers Mogs, and I know exactly the type of rider that you are referring to :2guns:
Mogs you seem to be going through a bad spell at the moment! I know my gold standard RoSPA instructor on his GS went into the back of a hgv a few months back because he misjudged an overtake. They can be a breed amongst themselves sometimes.
One of our RoSPA group on a group ride one day posted a YouTube video which I thought was nothing but dangerous. I commented to the author and was told to mind my own :censored: business. I contacted RoSPA with the link and suggested they watch it which they did.. RoSPA then contacted me and informed me that the riding demonstrated on the video was not representative of the standard they expected their riders to abide by and they had the video pulled off YouTube.
Oh how I laughed!
I've seen people like Winston Smith ride and he is impressive on a bike and very highly skilled, and yet you get others who just take the piss.
You beat me to it!!
I feel your pain Moggs, I really do! Yesterday I was filtering through traffic after going to the rugby, couple of guys on sportbikes behind me, dual carriageway, no problem. Drivers bring nice, everything good. Then utter FN 3 bikes back sees a gap in the traffic and tries to overtake all 3 of us, idiot! Yes you guessed it moron on a GS, bike safe hi-vis and the brain of a dead rocking horse!
Then this morning I was undertaken(!!) by an idiot on a Multistrada wearing a hi-vis all in one, on a blind bend. Clearly because I could see him he was invincible! Went to remonstrate with him and he told me he was IAM trained and I was in the wrong.....unbelievable
Wish I'd taken his reg.
Quote from: tommytool on October 01, 2012, 12:29:49 PMBeem GS/RS12's and their riders with the aforementioned panniers, hi-vis, 4 x spotlights on fairing/crashbars and the IAM roundall on the screen. Their attitude of "superiority" made me not want to buy one and get stigmatised the same.
Taken in order...guilty (great bike), guilty (it's a bad thing to have panniers?), not guilty, guilty (and very useful they are too), not guilty, not guilty ('stigmatised'? why on earth would you care what anyone else thinks about you or your bike?).
Mogster, you need to change your posting name to Mr. Angry. I hope you have your heart checked regularly...I was going to add 'because of all that pent up emotion' but I guess it's not very pent up is it! :smiley:
Kevin
'I am a leaf on the breeze....see how i soar'...... :mfr_lol:
I am a picture of calm ... I just get annoyed when those that really should be putting the gloss on motorcycling, are in fact a bunch of idiots.
I have spent my life on bikes, I have raced 'em, crossed Europe on 'em, crashed 'em (sometimes very badly), been in clubs (the naughty Back patch ones :whistling: ), raised thousands of pounds for charitys on 'em and all in all wouldn't have swopped a mile that I've ridden, for any amount of money.
Most my biking life people have tutted as I rocked past, nasty, dirty, greasy Bikers... thats fine...cos that's what i was.... but this new breed of Charlie McEwan biker gets right up my nose.... there is summit about the combination of advanced riders and Adventure bikes that turns a normal person into an utter knob jokey :hammer: ... they are bloody anti social and up their own back sides on the whole.
I go across to finchingfield .... cos the roads round St Albans are shite, now usually the boys and girls that go there are all dead friendly.
Apart from the Hi Viz, advanced rider mob... who just blank you when you say hi... oh and stare acussingly at my knee sliders :gunsmilie: yup i get them fukkers down... whats ya problem.. :mfr_lol: at least i dont ride on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD!!
there was an accident earlier this year on the B1057...which caused a couple of weeks of speed traps and CCTV on the local roads .... due to a Rospa group on a ride out... one of 'em had done an over take and then sat on the wrong side of the road 'in an effort to idicate it was still clear to overtake'..... which was fine... unfortunatley he was looking behing him and ploughed into an on coming car.
Fortunatly no one was hurt... but seriously... WTF was he thinking...
I am ...on the whole... despite what you all think .. not (edit) :whistling: always angry... tis just that somethings do promt a good rant!!!
Quote from: Mogster on October 01, 2012, 04:08:08 PM<snip> there is summit about the combination of advanced riders and Adventure bikes that turns a normal person into an utter knob jokey :hammer: .<snip>
I thought I was reasonably normal but I guess MRDA!
Quote from: Mogster on October 01, 2012, 04:08:08 PMI am ...on the whole... despite what you all think ..always angry... tis just that somethings do promt a good rant!!!
You'll get no disagreement from me <g>. (Freudian slip?)
Kevin
Mogs,
I feel the same about these so called 'Perfect' bikers.
Good for you for puttig in to words what I have wanted to say for a long time :yes:
Quote from: Kevin on October 01, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
I thought I was reasonably normal but I guess MRDA!
You'll get no disagreement from me <g>. (Freudian slip?)
Kevin
:mfr_lol: NOT always angry..... :tt2:
I realised it was a mistype but it made me laugh so I had to pick up on it. :)
Kevin
It's easy for people who do not know anything about bikes to be 'scared' of bikers. Therefore, they will look down on bikers. Particularly those with ridiculously loud aftermarket pipes and hooners who have little regard for their own or other road users safety. But those who appear to be members of reputable organisations, with logos emblazened over their attire should know better and really do help give bikers a bad name.
I fully understand Mogs' rant and would like to see such 'knob jockeys' named and shamed. Or at least their 'affiliated' organisation alerted to their poor conduct.
Stick a GoPro on yer bike / car with a big memory card in it and always record. Then if something daft is photographed, send a copy to the IAM or Rospa or whomever and ask for their membership to be revoked, send to police etc.
If nowt happens, then vape the memory card and start again.
Failing that, somewhere I spotted an assault rifle mounted on a GTR. Possibly on Facebook. That could be a more satisfactory alternative...
Grrrrrrrrr!
Ros
I guess we all attract something, me I might be called a babe magnet, but Mogs, as you seem to be a knobhead magnet, perhaps you should take the IAM test, buy a GS with big f*** off alloy panniers, a very bright jacket and show them how it's done. Perhaps you could teach them how to filter properly and finish by riding them over a cliff.
We could call you MRS!! Mogs Riding School.
Don't let them get to you mate, take it easy, take your time and kill them slowly. Come up norf and I will buy you a proper pint, not like that over priced piss darn sarf. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Chris,
he went North, I dont think he liked it !!
Colin
I have owned a GS btw..... :shit: hated it... I have also done a Bike Safe thingy :censored: went to a couple of IAM runs in the past.. :oops:
All 3 scared the shite outta me... the GS is like riding a Penny Farthing... the Bike Safe Instructor lost me after about 3 miles and the IAM guys were just utterly terrifying to follow... :help:
Quotethe GS is like riding a Penny Farthing
:mfr_lol:
I can see how that could be a scary experience
Mogs - I have the advantage of having been taught properly and professionally as part of my (previous) occupation.
There was nothing to prove other than pass the test and ride bikes for a living!
I have tried my best to help develop other riders, co-ordinating BikeSafe (again - in the previous life) chairing the local RoSPA group and testing for them.
I have reached a similar conclusion that because they have a 'badge' most of them (not all to be fair) think they are above the rest of the riders on the road. They hold a little knowledge and apply the bits they want - as in the RTC you mentioned, holding out for others to folow - not understanding the wholistic aspect of the discipline.
I have some issues with lack of consistency between groups and examiners - the white line pannier issue as brought up by Lonewolf some time ago - which is due to a lot of wannabes thinking they are 'experts'. Maybe theoretically they are, great on paper and know RoadCraft inside out - I don't - I know enough to apply it (Thanks Lonewolf!!) - but they have no idea how to apply it in real life, being flexible in it's use.
BikeSafe was usually attended by those who wanted an annual MOT on their riding and a free 'attaboy' to boost their ego's.
And as for the GS crew? Yup - you're spot on - additional to the above we also have the ex race replica riders who want to 'save' their licence (but still ride like knobs) or the even scarier mix of 'I've been a biker for 47 years and now ride the ultimate machine, no-one can tell me a thing about riding' and the born agains that haven't been through the sports-bike phase and watch how their peers ride to a higher level due to their choice of machine!
Phew - I feel better for that :mfr_lol:
Quote from: Winston Smith on October 02, 2012, 09:54:42 AM
Phew - I feel better for that :mfr_lol:
haha ..I'm glad about that! ..the way i see it, there is always gonna be someone faster/better than me...Also.. there is always sumit new to be learnt...
Everytime I go out, I hope to come back with a little summit that I can do better...or not do at all!!!! hahaha :oops: ... each ride brings an extra bit of experience that i can add to the pot.
When you think that you know it all, thats the point when you stop being as aware and then you are risk to your self and everyone around you.
:agree:
Simple As!
Ummm.... being a "born again" ex-sports bike rider who's just traded his GS, but keeping his large silver panniers for the spring I, uh, think I'll keep quiet... :innocent:
Quote from: coman37 on October 01, 2012, 08:31:43 PM
Chris,
he went North, I dont think he liked it !!
Colin
He did visit this particular part of the North, but he didn't realise how close he was to my stamping ground
I'd have shown him some stunning roads free of the type of nobs that he seems to have recently encountered
I'd have even bought him a proper pint in my 16th century local too, that's if I'd known he was in the area :wink:
Quote from: olde coney on October 02, 2012, 11:18:35 AM
He did visit this particular part of the North, but he didn't realise how close he was to my stamping ground
I'd have shown him some stunning roads free of the type of nobs that he seems to have recently encountered
I'd have even bought him a proper pint in my 16th century local too, that's if I'd known he was in the area :wink:
Yes yes... i know.... bloody hell I am ever gonna be alowed to forget this :oops: One never advertises that one is going away, as you never know who is looking at these posts.... Same as on Facebook...
'hey Fred Smith has just checked in somewhere nice, miles away'..... goody I shall go steal your valuables. :mfr_lol:
I will ride up there next year.... Just to see you ... happy now! :mfr_lol:
Ahhhh Mogs, we really do need to buy ya some more ammo for the crossbow don't we. :mfr_lol:
I gave up on the IAM/RoSPA lot years ago back when they all rode BMW K1100s.
One visit to the local (Chelmsford) group put me off for life.
If I want preaching and holier than thou then I go to church.
It did remind me very much of a church social with all the politics and cliques and such.
Yes, I have been a few times over the years when invited by friends, and no I've not seen anything to make me change my mind. I last went when the GTR was just a couple of months old and I spent most of my 2hrs there looking at the bikes and chatting to those interested in the 1400.
Some of them go for the "ticket" (cheaper insurance, bragging rights), some for the social aspects, and some just have to "belong" to something. Mostly not my scene although I used to be pretty active in MAG in the 90's.
I've been an "outsider" all my life and I like it that way.
I prefer to ride solo or with one well matched friend.
Group riding is either dull (too slow) or frenetic (too fast) so I mostly don't bother.
Finally, it's not the IAM/RoSPA or the GS1200 that makes them ride like twats.
It's riding with yer panniers on when they are empty and likely to stay that way. :hammer: :mfr_lol:
Panniers are for touring, not for life!
Quote from: Boomer on October 02, 2012, 02:14:32 PMIt's riding with yer panniers on when they are empty and likely to stay that way. :hammer: :mfr_lol:
Panniers are for touring, not for life!
Thankfully we know you are joking, you are joking right? :mfr_lol:
Yonks ago I went on a RoSPA social ride with Winston and his bunch were very friendly but I have to say the West Yorkshire Group, in particular one guy who seems to organise the trips is so far up his own arse it's unbelieveable.
:mfr_lol: LW I was sure I'd seen a post from you in which you said you always rode with your panniers on and I was looking for it but you beat me to it!
Kevin
I cant recall ever riding the GTR without the panniers and now I always ride with the top box on as well. You just never know what you might suddenly come across and want to buy and it's important that you have room to store things :whistling:
Quote from: Lonewolf on October 02, 2012, 02:49:18 PM
......................You just never know what you might suddenly come across and want to buy and it's important that you have room to store things :whistling:
You really are in touch with your feminine side Steve!!
Ok, so I walked right into that one! :hammer:
Quote from: Lonewolf on October 02, 2012, 02:49:18 PM
I cant recall ever riding the GTR without the panniers and now I always ride with the top box on as well. You just never know what you might suddenly come across and want to buy and it's important that you have room to store things :whistling:
'Ooooh look shoes'!!! (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3749.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/) now we know Mr Wolf... :mfr_lol:
- always ride with my panniers too. At the very least , there'd be a set of tools and puncture repair bits, plus water and a thermos of hot coffee.
- on longer rides, there'd be something to eat too. Don't want to bonk on a ride , the scenery will start to move on its own ....
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Quote from: Mogster on October 02, 2012, 02:00:11 PM
Yes yes... i know.... bloody hell I am ever gonna be alowed to forget this :oops: One never advertises that one is going away, as you never know who is looking at these posts.... Same as on Facebook...
'hey Fred Smith has just checked in somewhere nice, miles away'..... goody I shall go steal your valuables. :mfr_lol:
I will ride up there next year.... Just to see you ... happy now! :mfr_lol:
delirious :wink:
I always ride with panniers on, and when HWMBO comes out to play ride with an empty topbox as well. She uses it to help her climb on board cos she only has little legs and leans on the box to climb up. You can see at RTTW this Saturday.
Yeah, I was yanking yer chains :mfr_lol: :innocent: but personally I rarely ride with panniers.
I do have a huge topbox that is always on and always has junk in it.
As for space if I should buy something,..if I can fit it in the topbox or on back seat (I always carry bungees & cargo-nets) then I buy it.
If not, then I either don't buy it or else I go home and get the car. :tank:
With a 52 litre topbox it is VERY rare that I don't have enough space.
Keeping your panniers on means you can't filter so fast :whistling:
Eb
Quote from: Essex Boy on October 04, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
Keeping your panniers on means you can't filter so fast :whistling:
Eb
No reason why the panniers should affect your filtering ability. The mirrors are wider than the panniers, if the mirrors don't fall off as you're filtering you're doing all right. :whistling:
I don't have a problem with Steve using his panniers all the time ... especially when he visits that cheese shop he has mentioned here and stocks up !!!!
It must be an old rat thing but I love strong cheese ! :mfr_lol: :mfr_lol:
:stupid:
Rusty, we may have to include the cheese factory into our final leg of the journey. It's at Hawes not a million miles from my pad. :clap:
QuoteNo reason why the panniers should affect your filtering ability. The mirrors are wider than the panniers, if the mirrors don't fall off as you're filtering you're doing all right.
Well, my bike steers from the front. Also, in Italy the cars don't line up in a straight line so a certain amount of skill with slalom is necessary, so if it does fit through with the mirrors, it does still get very tight dragging my fat :asshole: round the bonnet of some vehicles...
Deffo easier without panniers - even if it is mostly psychological :whistling:
Spooky !
Why log on today after so long away? The day after my first ride at an IAM Club!!!!
Having enjoyed (in a-slit-your wrist kind of a way) the less than complimentary (though I do don't say unjustified; I wasn't there) comments about the high viz badge-boating-brigade, I felt momentarily dispondent.
However, I remembered and re-read a thread from January in which the leading members of the forum spoke well of advanced training and thereby inspired me to have a go. Thank you.
It's taken a while but I have now covered 5k miles on the new bike and am feeling quite up to speed again).
Declaration: If/when I pass the test, I shall not be wearing an IAM hi-viz or showing the badge. Also, I will not be riding a GSA.
If my riding should offend it will (maybe) be because I am riding like a selfish berk and not becauce I am part of a particular brigade.
I Hear ya! :tank:
Steve .. please do .. I shall make sure ONE of my panniers is empty ! :laugh: :laugh:
All Advanced training is worthwhile so long as on completion you don't start to think that you are Gods gift to motorcycling.
Learning is something you start doing some time before your first breath and stop doing about 3 minutes after your last.
As for riding like a berk, we all do that on occasion.
The trick is to hold your hand up and apologise rather than try to justify it as OK because you are "Trained".
Quote from: Boomer on October 09, 2012, 01:44:44 PM
All Advanced training is worthwhile so long as on completion you don't start to think that you are Gods gift to motorcycling.
Learning is something you start doing some time before your first breath and stop doing about 3 minutes after your last.
As for riding like a berk, we all do that on occasion.
The trick is to hold your hand up and apologise rather than try to justify it as OK because you are "Trained".
:agree: :yes:
Quote from: Boomer on October 09, 2012, 01:44:44 PM
All Advanced training is worthwhile so long as on completion you don't start to think that you are Gods gift to motorcycling.
Learning is something you start doing some time before your first breath and stop doing about 3 minutes after your last.
As for riding like a berk, we all do that on occasion.
The trick is to hold your hand up and apologise rather than try to justify it as OK because you are "Trained".
Hear! Hear !
I agree - Any training is worthwhile