Kawasaki 1400 GTR

1400 GTR - All Models => 1400GTR Discussion => Topic started by: dokterdave on September 13, 2012, 01:15:39 PM

Title: Noisy gearbox
Post by: dokterdave on September 13, 2012, 01:15:39 PM
Got back from the GCE rally in Italy and my gearbox is making an unfriendly noise.
It goes into the shop on Tuesday.

The noise? bit of a rumble
In top gear at 3500 (70 ish) fine at 3000
Also when I roll off the throttle.



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Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: Deon on September 13, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
Ooops !!! Does not sound good ( sounds like it could be the carrier bearing ).
One thing I do not like about the GTR is the gearbox ( well, the gear change rather, not smooth at all ).

Deon
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: stoketim on September 13, 2012, 02:26:31 PM
 :oops: Dave dont like the sound of that, but at least you made it home safely
get well card and donation is in the post :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: Rusty on September 13, 2012, 02:56:54 PM
Let us know what the diagnosis is old bean ....  :smiley:
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: Deon on September 13, 2012, 03:15:23 PM
Just thinking about it now, I had a similar noise on my ZX14. Also thought it was the carrier bearing but it turned out that it was the balancing shafts that needed adjustment ( there is a shaft at the front and at the back of the engine and they are adjustable ). Perhaps whisper this into their ear when you take the bike in.

Deon
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: trousersnake01 on September 13, 2012, 05:36:41 PM
Could just be wheel balance.  That normally kicks in around 70.
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: O.C. on September 13, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
hope all is well dockterdave...let us know how you get on

You are sure there's a grumble aren't you ? I don't mean to be dopey but sometimes noises like this are not all they first appear to be...anyhow good luck
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: dokterdave on September 13, 2012, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: trousersnake01 on September 13, 2012, 05:36:41 PM
Could just be wheel balance.  That normally kicks in around 70.

NO
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: nige gtr on September 13, 2012, 08:12:09 PM
Hi mate,welcome back.I wondered if the drive shaft splines,or the bearing is running dry.Was it worse when loaded? let us know the outcome. cheers.
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: dokterdave on September 13, 2012, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: nige gtr on September 13, 2012, 08:12:09 PM
Hi mate,welcome back.I wondered if the drive shaft splines,or the bearing is running dry.Was it worse when loaded? let us know the outcome. cheers.

I greased the drive shaft splines about 8 weeks ago.
Rear hub and engine oils are Ok, no leaks.
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: dokterdave on September 19, 2012, 05:59:58 PM
Its the front bevel gear bearing.
Its still in one piece but VERY loose. Other bits need replacing.

Kawasaki's good will amounts to £450 +vat for the parts, the total of which is £730 +vat
Labour is £300 +vat and counting.
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: 2kwacks on September 19, 2012, 06:08:10 PM
 :huh: when you say kawasaki good will.. are they offering you any discount or is the total bill going to be all your's :sad: what mileage as your gtr done, just courious to what mileage the bearing as failed at. so the total bill could likely be in excess of £1,000?
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: pistole on September 20, 2012, 04:26:49 AM
- thats a big bearing , right ?

- and permanently sitting in oil (together with the rest of the gearbox's bits) , ya ?

- strange place for failure.

http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/Front_Bevel_Gear/MakeID/3/Make/Kawasaki/YearID/51/Year/2010/ModelID/8479/Model/Concours_14_ABS_(ZG1400-CAF)/GroupID/407500/Group/Front_Bevel_Gear

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Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: dokterdave on September 20, 2012, 10:05:15 AM
Quote from: pistole on September 20, 2012, 04:26:49 AM
- thats a big bearing , right ?

- and permanently sitting in oil (together with the rest of the gearbox's bits) , ya ?

- strange place for failure.

That's the one.
I seem to think that there has been some issue with this bearing on other bikes.
I'm going to consult the COG forum.
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: dokterdave on October 03, 2012, 07:54:13 PM
This is what I got from the COG forum

Quote from: BDF on September 20, 2012, 07:43:30 PM
Yep, Kawasaki (Japan, not Kawasaki USA) wanted some bevel assemblies back from bikes with high mileage to take a look at how they were wearing. There were four of us that they contacted and we all obliged- the mileage on the bikes ranged from the 40K range to something like 70 or 80K as I remember. My bike had the third highest mileage of those they tracked down through the other forum. Three of us still have those C-14's, now between 85K + and 149K miles on them.

To the original poster, there was at least one case I remember where a bevel gear assembly failed in some way- it started making a fair amount of noise but did not fail outright. The dealer who serviced the bearing did not replace it correctly as they did not have the correct tools (and must have been using hope and the best of intentions instead) and the replacement bearings failed soon after. It was either repaired again or the assembly was replaced outright but I cannot remember which it was.

The parts are somewhat expensive but there is a fair amount of labor involved in properly patterning and pre- loading the gears so the job is usually expensive if done properly. My dealer says that it is not worth the risk for the small potential profit in rebuilding assemblies like this (the bevel drive or final drive) and so usually replaces the entire assembly as a unit, which is of course very expensive for that assembly alone. The good news is that if it is done that way the odds are quite good that the unit was assembled / pre- loaded correctly by the manufacturer who does thousands of them rather than the local dealer who may or may not have ever worked on one before.

Unfortunately things like this do happen now and then to all brands / types. It is not a chronic problem with Kawasaki or the C-14 but that does not do you much good in your situation. You can probably find a used unit though as quite a few C-14s have been parted out, probably after being wrecked but the bevel gear assembly is pretty likely to survive intact and would not be damaged by almost any type of accident the bike was involved in. Also, any damage from an accident would almost certainly be visible in the from of obvious damage from impact or dragging on the ground.

Brian

Quote from: MAN OF BLUES on September 20, 2012, 06:50:27 PM
somewhere back about year 2.5 of the first released bikes, Kaw actually had a program of doing some diagnostics and actually offering replacements on front bevel units for the purpose of seeing the integrety.
I recall at least 3 people on the "other forum" that participated and got completely new bevel units, even though they had no apparent issues.
This may be the reason, not knowing the dispersal or originality / locations the first year production bikes went to, they may have been doing a pre-emptive strike for info.

The good news is the bike is home.
I picked it up on the way home from work and hope to take it out for a good run tomorrow.
Even better it only cost £456.94 which includes the cost of a Bevelgear unit from Ebay.
Title: Re: Noisy gearbox
Post by: 2kwacks on October 03, 2012, 08:09:31 PM
glad to hear your soughted dave :smiley: did send you a pm about the boots did you get it? what do you want to do?