Kawasaki 1400 GTR

1400 GTR - All Models => 1400GTR Discussion => Topic started by: Deon on September 07, 2012, 08:56:32 AM

Title: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Deon on September 07, 2012, 08:56:32 AM
Have any of you tried to see if the traction control works on the GTR ?? I am not talking about damp or wet spots but in dry weather whilst leaning the bike and opening the throttle hard.
Would be interesting to hear if anyone has tried it and what the results were. I have been surfing the "net" to see if there are any videos posted but have only found videos explaining how the system works.

Deon
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: viper on September 07, 2012, 09:06:52 AM
there is a video on the net somewhere of a rider on a gravel section who demonstrates the traction, tis low speed stuff tho
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Lonewolf on September 07, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
Deon, you could be the first to post such a video!  :whistling:

:mfr_lol:
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Deon on September 07, 2012, 09:26:20 AM
@Lonewolf,
Perhaps I should !! My son is racing here in PE in about 3 weeks time. They normally have the track free for practice on the Friday before the racing on Saturday. If I get a chance, I will put the GTR on the track and check it out. I don't know whether or not I will be able to capture it on video though but will see. If I do, I will post on forum.

Deon
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Lonewolf on September 07, 2012, 09:29:38 AM
Gratefully appreciated :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Martin#30 on September 07, 2012, 09:43:17 AM
Deon,

I would not recommend trying this unless you are very confident in how a bike handles on the limit.

The GTR has a lot of rear grip, and not enough power to spin the rear wheel when you are anywhere near upright in the dry. To get the rear loose on the GTR will require being cranked right over, and whilst I imagine the TC will intervene enough to stop the rear lowside, it does not have enough engine control finesse to stop the slide, grip, highside that I personally think will happen.

I have triggered it a number of times in the wet, and in the ice - all fairly upright at the time. It works a treat in these conditions.

It is not as advanced as the ZX10R system, and I really don't think it is good enough to rescue the bike on the limit.

Just my 2p.

Looking forward to seeing the video proving me wrong though  :mfr_lol:

Martin.
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Deon on September 07, 2012, 09:57:51 AM
Yep, point taken Martin. I have read about guys scraping footpegs on the GTR ( not seen it though !!! ).
Anyway, one way to find out I suppose !!!!

Deon
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Gonome on September 07, 2012, 10:09:56 AM
Good hospitals in Port Elizabeth?
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Bondu on September 07, 2012, 10:14:53 AM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1119137831?bctid=46672613001

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1119137831?bctid=55491399001

both these vids have a brief look at traction control in operation

For those who haven't seen the promo:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1119137831?bctid=46332800001
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Deon on September 07, 2012, 11:56:12 AM
Thanks for posting the vids Bondu !!

@Gonome,
Great hospitals in Port Elizabeth ! Just a pity that I don't have medical aid ( health insurance ) though !!!!   

PS : Sorry, I tried inserting the LOL image but cannot do it !!!!!
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: mecki on September 07, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
The only thing I have noticed on a dry road is that the front wheel may lift off the ground a little bit if I give her too much throttle but that's about it. And in the wet it's just brilliant.  :yes:
Still haven't succeeded to make her fly, though.  :whistling:
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Deon on September 07, 2012, 12:46:03 PM
Yep, I've experienced that as well but I am very interested to see how it will work when you get hard on the throttle with the bike leaned over.

Deon
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: keith on September 07, 2012, 09:15:42 PM
do you really think you should be riding with a hard on!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: trousersnake01 on September 07, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
Is traction control on all ages ?
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Lonewolf on September 08, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: trousersnake01 on September 07, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
Is traction control on all ages ?

No, only the 2010+ models.
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Deon on September 08, 2012, 07:37:25 AM
Quote from: keith on September 07, 2012, 09:15:42 PM
do you really think you should be riding with a hard on!!!!!!!

Well, it is a GTR after all !!!!!

Deon
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: pistole on September 08, 2012, 07:47:24 AM
- ooi ! There are ladies here !!!

.
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Deon on September 08, 2012, 08:41:37 AM
Ooooops !!!! My apologies ladies !!!!

Deon
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Lonewolf on September 08, 2012, 01:35:58 PM
Quote from: pistole on September 08, 2012, 07:47:24 AM
- ooi ! There are ladies here !!!

.

Does Debs count?  :whistling:
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Gonome on September 09, 2012, 09:31:21 AM
Quote from: Lonewolf on September 08, 2012, 01:35:58 PM

Does Debs count?  :whistling:
Most certainly! Sounds like you are on dodgy ground there LW and lining yourself up for a Deb size slap in Devon.  :mfr_lol:
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: SirToU on September 09, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
Greetings, I know you said in the dry, but does this count?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKJFZbKO8Ko

This was at Bedford Autodrome, in the wet on a "racetrack" surface, If you watch about 24-26 seconds and again at 55-56 seconds,(if your quick you can see and hear it slide), unfortunately, what you cannot do, is get the GTR to hold it there. (i've tried).

reason:  The GTR's traction control is a "safety" derived device and cuts all power once it decides to cut in.  but will save you...

If you turn it off it will slide nicely, but I don't have an endless cash budget to fix it if I bin it - If someone wants to sponser me, I'll certainly give it a go, in the name of research!

Hope this is what you are looking for.

Neil
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: SirToU on September 09, 2012, 06:22:18 PM
Oh, also ment to say, the if you keep it pinned when the traction control has cut in, it wont release the traction control, it keeps it turned on until you close the throttle - not sure how much you have to close it, but either way, you have to at least start to close it, pinned or static, it stays on!.

I want the big K to put the 1440 lump and electronics package in the GTR for 2013!  Then I'll give it another go!  :-)
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: O.C. on September 09, 2012, 07:54:36 PM
I hear a whisper that the 2013 GTR will have a number of upgrades, I'm not sure exactly what as yet, maybe Bi-Xenon lights plus new colours etc.,
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: SirToU on September 09, 2012, 08:02:58 PM
Yes, we'll, mine is coming up for 3 years old.... So a 1440 GTR with extra goodies for Xmas would be nice....

:-)
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Deon on September 10, 2012, 05:46:57 AM
Quote from: SirToU on September 09, 2012, 06:22:18 PM
Oh, also ment to say, the if you keep it pinned when the traction control has cut in, it wont release the traction control, it keeps it turned on until you close the throttle - not sure how much you have to close it, but either way, you have to at least start to close it, pinned or static, it stays on!.

Thanks for the VID. It certainly gives me a better understanding of the system. This is one of my concerns in the dry. If you close the throttle and the TC turns off ( whilst leaned over ), it could result in a high side !!??. Perhaps better to keep throttle open when traction control kicks in but that is easier said than dome.

Deon
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Mogster on September 10, 2012, 07:35:38 AM
Morning all... Traction control..... well come on who else was gonna taunt it  :gunsmilie: ...

In the wet tis easy, just open the thottle too much... in the dry is a tad more challenging... you need a nice long, 2nd gear bend, allow the bike to settle, get it right over, hang off the bugger and apply lots progressive throttle... if you are using the force (as you should be) the rear should begin to 'move'... when the corner opens up flick the bike up a tad (just like ya fav moto GP rider) and nail the thottle.
Rear will loose traction and you will pogo up the road, nuts whapping off the tank as the TC kicks in.... :wacko: :wacko:

Or you can do the whole thing again with the TC off and leave cool black lines fer ya mates to go 'OOOOOH' at

Oh ... just a note of caution, don't try this unless you are absolutly sure you know what the fook you are doing... this is a tick one learns at Race/ Stunt schools .. not on Bike Safe ..

Have fun .....Mogs  :smartass:




Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Lonewolf on September 10, 2012, 08:10:54 AM
Mogs that sounds like fun I'm sure, but why would anyone want to deliberately induce a skid or loss of control however brief with their GTR especially on a road?
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: Mogster on September 10, 2012, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: Lonewolf on September 10, 2012, 08:10:54 AM
Mogs that sounds like fun I'm sure, but why would anyone want to deliberately induce a skid or loss of control however brief with their GTR especially on a road?

I learnt to 'drift ' the rear when i was racing, it kept happening when i first started out and then i would shit meself and crash... so i went away to the california superbike school and did  all 4 levels, it taught me a great deal, including drifting the back end in a controled and safe manner.

Not that i would ever do it on a public road mind you....well not all the time anyway..  :gunsmilie:
Title: Re: TRACTION CONTROL
Post by: SirToU on September 10, 2012, 09:30:35 AM
Not that I'm an expert in these matters, but as far as I'm aware, the traction control is designed to stop high siding as well and cuts in really early, the other restriction you will have in the dry, long before it starts to go completely pearshaped is ground clearance.

If your pushing it beyond the footpegs going down, then surely, you wouldn't be opening the throttle that hard to break traction, unless your either a) very skilled or b) very much out of comfort zone.

But that's my opinion...  :-)


Neil