Unconvinced

[Rusty]

" Here Here " :-X

[GTRPete]

22k miles later i can honestly say it is the best bike i haver ever owned.  Stock tyres are pants.  Get rid and buy the pr3s.  buy a laminar lip for 70 quid and you are sorted.  Grt some decent earplugs for the windnoise.  Done.

[Ziderman]

Excuse me....! Was I starting a debate on it....!!!!!!! All this here here stuff.....Some one posted pictures on here of dismembered body parts from accidents some while back on here...that was discussed in great detail I think you will find. Prey tell me what's the difference from them being killed in car accidents or on a Pan.....!  I had no intention of going into a debate on it...I hope this form not going same way as FJR one did.
I object to making a comment in all innocence then some ....no dont say it Alan...

[Rusty]

Zedman...you need to take a deep breath and clear your head  .... No one is talking about debating Pan / Police deaths and nor is there any correlation between posted pictures of a fatal RTA in another country, ( which are widely available on the Internet ) resulting from the deceased using a mobile phone and a motorcyclist on a Japanese touring bike bike ... how on earth could you link the two ? Truly, I apologise to you if you think I have taken your thread in vain but I havn't and nor would I.

[Ziderman]

I am not getting into this  , I have had a personal message explaining why one or two are nervous about the subject of pans. Fair play I fully understand. I do take of fence to being told to take deep breath & clear my head. I dont think I was unreasonable for one moment in my post. It was a genuine concern about double standards. So accept it for what it is. We are all entitled to our own opinions , weather others agree or not. That's forums for you.
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[scotty597]

As a police advanced bike instructor I can without doubt confirm that the marked police 1300s weaved and bucked at speeds around 107mph. And yes it was scary, no you couldnt ride through it cause it would go into a monumental tank slapper and you fall off. Cause......who knows for sure there are many schools of thought.

Civvy bikes may weave under some windy conditions, as most bikes do but they dont have the police weave.

My 2004 1300 was a police bike that did weave at 104mph, I was the instructor behind it!!!

Changed to civvy spec it didnt and would safely do 140mph on the calibrated speedo without ant stability issue. This proves conclusively that its only the police spec that has the serious wobble. Not the civvy spec.

Hope that clears that up. :D

[Rusty]

Scotty ... did my Advanced Bike in '93 on the BMW K1100LT's ... remember those bad boys ? They were pretty good I have to say ... then a few years later we tried the Pans but in Police spec they were as one now says " not fit for purpose ! " So as a result of that I never rode a civvy one.

[scotty597]

Never had the pleasure of the Ks in works trim. Road one a couple of years ago in civvy spec, what a barge. Hats off to the........veterans who road them ;D ;D

[Ziderman]

Oh er scoty565 your in for the sack. Your right in the do da now. As according to PMs I have had some you been in big trouble for discussing this on open forums. Check out earlier posts as I have been told in no uncertain terms that this subject is not up for discussion. I think a moderator should step in here as I'm begining to get a little narked !

[Ziderman]

Bloody he'll all ones who moaned at me now discussing it on here. Come come now. Am I not allowed as I'm a civy then !!!!!

[scotty597]

In trouble? :'(

I'm not discussing anything, a statement of fact from a professional perspective.

Nothing up for discussion. :)

[Lonewolf]

Scotty, you're probably more qualified than most on this topic. I never went down the advanced bike training line through the job just cars but even that was great fun.

[scotty597]

Best 2 courses in the world! I had the even better job of teaching cars and bikes at the police college for 3 years. That was the best job i've had yet. Shame we only do a 3 year tour north of the wall. Met quite a few guys from down south that had been doing it for years and then became civvies at the same place....slightly envious. >:(

[Ziderman]

 That's all I did...I said I understand two Police officers had been killed. Then was told was not to be discussed on here. I am sure you are an expert in your field & your opinions would be most welcome. I know what I am doing in my trade & while I was in the Marines too ,  but it's not Motor cycle training that I am expert in. So I am unqualified to make any comments other than what I have heard has happened with the Pan & that's all I have done & you will see it was a question not a debate....

Just in case not seen above post , here it is again...

Yes sadly there were some fatalities with the PAN. As Winston said though many months ago now, out of respect, this platform is not the appropriate place to discuss that topic.

[Ziderman]

As I thought. No response at all. Right was I ? Me thinks so. Have enjoyed this forum up to this thread. But that's it fo me. Will still read it for now as some good info. But I'm out of hear as it stinks a little. Double standards.